Ed Reed Fan:4 TD'S IN ONE GAME said 11/27, 10:49 AM
Going from the NFL to the NCAA is easier for a coach. Look at examples like June Jones, Dennis Erickson & Pete Carroll. Here's my reasoning:
1. In college you can hand pick & recruit your players with no agents to negotiate with & no GM questioning your every move. In the NFL it's more of a level playing field due to the salary cap.
3. In College you can use your programs history & facilities to lure a player (who can't make demands like an NFL player & their agents can). In the NFL you can only lure players/agents with your teams history & facilities when they're free agents &/or undrafted rookies & if they're free agents you need the salary cap space & plenty of $ to lure them.
4. In college there's no contract to negotiate.
5. In college there's no draft where players you want & may want to play for you can get snatched up by another program simply because of draft order.
6. In the NFL there are 31 other teams that can snatch players from you or get players that you wanted regardless of your teams talent level where in college there aren't 31 other top tier programs that are going to contend with you for guys.
7. College has boosters & players egos are smaller.
i B4 e:Happy FNversary 2 me said 11/27, 11:56 AM
Just my luck, I get to draw one of the top TDers. Be gentle with me.
I think going from NCAA to NFL is the easier transition. I agree that Pete Carroll made a great move the other way and is a far better college coach than he was in the NFL. But look at the failures - Callahan, Gailey, Weiss while he is not yet a failure is struggling, Wanstadt (sp?) and the list goes on. Look at the successes - Jimmy Johnson, Mike Holmgren, and just for giggles Bill Walsh. Why do I think the NCAA to NFL transition is easier:
1. In college, if your recruits don't pan out you have to wait for the next cycle to try to find the right pieces
2. In the NFL, if you are missing a piece you can just go out and buy one. The Patriots are a prime example of that this year.
3. In college, if your star QB fails his history class, guess what; he's ineligible
4. In the NFL, players don't have to take tests
I think for a coach going into the NFL from college breathes a sigh of relief because he no longer has to worry about boosters, grades, or rankings. Yes there are a lot of failures going this route, but I think it would be easier for a good college coach to become a good NFL coach
Ed Reed Fan:4 TD'S IN ONE GAME said 11/27, 04:46 PM
There are more coaches that go from the NFL to the NCAA and are successful than vice versa. In the NFL you come in & basically inherit a teams roster, for better or worse. I.E. Petrino this year thought he would have Vick; we all know how that worked out. You get more of a chance in college to prove yourself than you do in the NFL. Example: If this was the NFL Charlie Weis would probably be gone but the fact that he's barely gotten any recruits in there that have played yet is giving him some slack. If an NFL team went from the equivalent of a BCS game to the pitts like ND has that coach would be all but gone. I understand your #1 point above about recruits but you get many more recruits than draft picks which gives you a better chance of finding talent that works. Your # 2 point makes sense but if you need pieces you can go recruit them & there are more to choose from as well than in the NFL. I can't argue the grades but in the NFL guys have larger egos & more $ which leads to more possible trouble than grades can. NFL coaches must be more skilled than NCAA coaches to be successful & that's tougher 2 find. NFL players are harder to movtivate too due to $, less rivalries, etc.
i B4 e:Happy FNversary 2 me said 11/27, 05:07 PM
I will admit that not all college coaches make good NFL coaches. The TD is about the easier transition. Given the right dynamics the transition is easier going to the NFL. We could list failures and successes on both sides of the argument all day long. We are not arguing about success, we are debating the transition process. Obviously, if they are put into a bad spot the road to success will be more difficult. But, I think they tend to make a nice transition and connect well with the players. They come in and inject a new perspective into the locker room. They know that all those guys worked their tails off in college to get the chance to play on Sundays. Going to the NFL, coaches have more say about managing the team, for the most part. They obviously don't in Dallas or Oakland but they do on other well managed teams. In the NFL if you bench a player you only have to deal with him and his agent. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. The worst that happens is they go away. In college if you bench the star you get it from all angles - boosters, parents, regents, etc. You are then pressured to put him back in so that the boosters will continue giving money to the program.
Ed Reed Fan:4 TD'S IN ONE GAME said 11/27, 05:26 PM
There's much more involved with dealing w/ players & the media in the NFL than there is in college. There's only 32 HC's in the NFL but over 100 in NCAA D-1. This should easily prove the difficulty with which the NFL jobs come. It's also easier to find good players as walk-ons in College than there is in the NFL. In the NCAA players switch positions more readily & can fill-in or become stars as something they had never or had rarely played as before. This is very rare in the NFL. You're right in the NFL coaches have a say but ultimately the GM in most cases is the #1 decision maker. In college there's less management needed w/ players so it's an easier transition. Plus, no GMs or agents to deal with. Your scenario about the benched player only applies if the player is unrightfully benched but either way they can transfer & there's really no $ or agents, etc. involved. It's less messy for everyone. There's less pressure to win & less mgmt. & work to deal with in the NCAA which makes the transition that much easier. Plus, if you've been to the pros already you can take some of that knowledge with you & it will help make the transition & teaching the college players that much easier.
i B4 e:Happy FNversary 2 me said 11/27, 05:32 PM
This is my last chance to avoid going one and done. I believe it is harder for an NFL coach to go to the NCAA in that they cannot connect with the younger players. NFL coaches get a bit spoiled because they can go out and sign the missing piece from their puzzle. The draft is much easier to deal with (other than a couple of top picks holding out) than recruiting. You have to go out and promise the world to a blue chip high school kid. Then after you pass up on other talented recruits he can change his mind on you and you're screwed. Meanwhile the boosters are screaming because you missed out on the top prospect. When NFL coaches go to the NCAA they also bring with them a huge ego. They waltz in with their rings and the "offensive genius" label and they don't realize they are dealing with a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears 18 year olds who could probably care less about his rings. Too many coaches don't even try to understand what they are going through. They build a complex playbook and scratch their heads when the kids don't execute. The NFL coach making the switch has to cool off his ego and this is the greatest obstacle that they face in the transition. Too many of them can't do it.
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looks like i can't count in my arguments huh ?
Ed Reed Fan:4 TD'S IN ONE GAME | 11/27/07, 10:50 AM
Report Offensive CommentSpurrier, Saban, Kiffen, Erickson, Rich Brooks, John McKay, Butch Davis, June Jones.....I could go on and on. College coaches rarely make good NFL head coaches.
Mike Holmgren was never a college head coach. Bill Walsh was never a college head coach.
Gruden crushes poker tables | 11/27/07, 12:08 PM
Report Offensive CommentGruden, you are correct about Holmgren, he went from QB coach to QB coach, but Walsh as head coach at Stanford before he went to San Fran.
i B4 e:Happy FNversary 2 me | 11/27/07, 12:17 PM
Report Offensive CommentI don't think star players have much trouble with "tests" in college. Maybe at smaller schools or schools were they actually care about academics, but for the most part Div 1 schools don't fall in that category. It just seems like college coaches almost never make a good pro coach. Of course there are exceptions as listed, but for the most part they don't.
Thugmeister | 11/27/07, 04:48 PM
Report Offensive CommentWell, I did all I can. It's up to Fannation now. Very nice throwdown sir. And very good arguments for your case.
i B4 e:Happy FNversary 2 me | 11/27/07, 05:33 PM
Report Offensive Commentu 2 man, good arguments !
Ed Reed Fan:4 TD'S IN ONE GAME | 11/27/07, 05:41 PM
Report Offensive CommentThose examples were originally college coaches, lifer. I personally think college football is the toughest thing in all of sports to coach.
PeavyFan: Voters=IDIOTS | 11/28/07, 11:23 AM
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