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Bigalke said 12/05, 03:10 PM
I have been sitting here on my day off writing to FanNation and watching SportsCenter and First Take on ESPN. Then, when the shows ended, the midday line-up kicked in... World Selries of Poker!
Don't get me wrong, I love poker. I used to sit in for absentees at my dad's weekly poker night back in Wyoming. The guys eventually kicked me out when I was twelve because I kept taking their money while they were drunk. I even enjoy watching the stuff sometimes. But it doesn't belong on ESPN or FOX Sports or any other sports programming channel.
Poker in all its televised glory stands only to glamorize gambling. There is no encouragement or inspiration for children to get out on the sandlot or onto a bicycle or to do anything active. People are not inspired by feats at the poker table; they only learn new tricks to take their buddies' cash at next week's poker game.
Harris. said 12/05, 03:29 PM
If ESPN can show Rock, Paper, Scissors and Who's Now?, they can definitely show Poker.
Poker is extremely popular right now. ESPN is trying to capitalize off of it and fill some air time as well. Personally, I don't find it that entertaining, but I have plenty of friends that do turn in and watch poker on TV. It's not fun for me to watch it, but I can understand how for some people that play the game and understand it a lot more than myself would enjoy it.
I disagree that poker is trying to glamorize gambling. If anything, it's just another example of how people can put time and hard work into something, and it can really pay off for them.
But more than likely it's just an entertaining program that poker players like to watch, just like NFL Live is exciting to football fans, but not every audience. The only problem is poker has a much smaller target than other large sports.
Bigalke said 12/05, 03:56 PM
Honestly, I am aware that ESPN has gone the way of MTV in that it shows VERY LITTLE of that which actually got each of them to the pinnacle of their respective genres: sports and music. Now you are as likely to see out-of-shape sportswriters arguing to a time clock as you are to see athletes competing on a court to a time clock. But that does not make it RIGHT...
Sports in all their glory have become too commercialized to the point where ESPN would drop a legitimate sport -- hockey -- to inundate the market with an interloper -- poker. It makes the network money in droves, it sensationalizes the flaunting and taunting which pervade professional poker tables, and sets a bad example of what should be considered sport.
Harris. said 12/05, 05:13 PM
I don't think ESPN has turned away from sports as much as MTV has turned away from music, to continue your example. They cannot afford to just show instant replays 24/7 or recaps of games. It can't be all mainstream sports all the time.
ESPN focuses a lot of their shows, or at least some of the main ones, (PTI, ATH, First & 10, etc.) on debates between sports commentators. Personally I can't complain, because they show numerous views on the current topics. I get to see both sides of an argument, and choose which one I support. Which is exactly why we all spend so much time here, on this site.
The fact is, ESPN cannot afford to keep a sport that is dying to attract fans, (hockey) when they could pick one up that is exploding in terms of fan base. (Poker) ESPN is a business like everything else, so of course they're gonna pick up the programs that are more likely to make them money. And I can't blame them, because poker does have a lot of fans. Just because I don't enjoy doesn't mean nobody else does. If I don't like what's on ESPN, I change the channel.
Bigalke said 12/05, 05:21 PM
Video killed the radio star. Reality shows killed the video star. And now "Madden Nation" and the World Series of Poker and the whole lot are motivating a new generation of sports fans that they too can be "sports" stars simply by learning how to read the river or working your fingers fast enough on a game controller. Kids are becoming driven to become the next poker champ at a rate far faster than those wishing to play hockey... and this is because ESPN has gained in its lifetime a preeminent spot as the voice of all things sports.
If ESPN shows it, it must be a sport. I was a two-time National Spelling Bee participant... but I was certainly not an athlete while I sweated on that stage under the lights and the cameras in the ballroom of the Grand Hyatt Washington. And the beer-bellied stars at Binion's Horseshoe and the other gambling meccas (because, yes, this is GAMBLING) are no more athletes than I was more than a decade ago as an adolescent.
Our culture is becoming more apathetic toward sports participation because they have fewer real sports heroes to look up to and more Doyle Brunsons and Phil Iveys to divert their time...
Harris. said 12/05, 05:46 PM
I live in Minnesota, and I attend a big college hockey school. I gaurantee you there are more kids near me who want to become pro hockey players instead of pro poker players, regardless of what ESPN is showing us. And my area is far from the only one like that.
You say showing poker makes kids want to be pro poker players? In that case, Monday Night Football makes kids want to be pro football players too. Same with Baseball Tonight, or any other sport shown. Poker's influence is not higher than these. Kids are not driven to play professional poker by poker shows on ESPN any more than they are driven to play other sports professionally.
Once again, you can't blame ESPN for capitalizing on a video game that regularly sells millions upon millions of games. Especially when that videogame is about sports. Is it replacing any mainstream sport? No, it's actually adding to it.
You say there are fewer sports heroes? I think you're not looking close enough. There will always be a guy like Lebron James, Tiger Woods, Peyton Manning, or Josh Beckett. Those are the types of players kids look up to, and that won't change because ESPN shows poker a few hours each week.
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Poker is not a sport. It is gambling.
Escobar Caesar
Youngstown, OH
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At least "Who's Now" is relevant and has to do with real athletes who play real sports. Poker is a joke and shouldn't be on ESPN.
Baron: NEEDS MORE…
Title Town, WI
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Didn't even read the argument. Poker does NOT BELONG ON SPORTS (or any other) TELEVISION.
It's asinine that we sit in our living rooms watching other people play cards. Geez, what a lazy-**** nation of people we've all become.
What's next, the National Tiddlywink Contest?
kilroy59
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if espn can show the national spelling bee, then then can definitely show poker.
Guru: GEAUX SAINTS!
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i always cheat on poker, i learned that from watching the Patriots however
Ghost.
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The spelling bee ain't a sport either.
Escobar Caesar
Youngstown, OH
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How about darts? There was a World Series of Darts on there at like 3 in the morning. I was so bored I actually watched 5 minutes of it . *rolls eyes*
Tracy00214-Is back!
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ESPN is slowly doing to sports what MTV did to music. hopefully something can reverse this.
thejetstolehome:…
Cos Cob/Storrs, CT
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What about Go Fish? Or W.A.R.? Or Spades? Hearts? Tonk? Rummy?
Escobar Caesar
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52 pick up
Nikolai
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What a stupid argument...if you don't like it don't watch.
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If you pay attention, ESPN uses poker as a filler much the same as bowling. They air these type events in time slots when they are up against events on other channels they can't compete with or dont have contracts for. An example is on Sunday during football. They know their fan base is watching something else, why bother putting a program they want to promote in a time slot that will fail?
Secondly, Somebody must be watching as there are sponsors paying the air time. It's a financial decision and ESPN is in the business of making money.
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Next week on ESPN - World Championships of Candyland live on ESPN 3 eastern 2 central.
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Tonk? I am the best Tonk player in the Universe. It's just a fact.
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I would rather watch a starring contest or Scrabble tournament on ESPN!
Arrested Development
New York, NY
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esco, i never said spelling be or poker was a sport. i was stating that is spelling bee has a spot, then poker sure deserves one. if people dont liek it, change to espn news many other espn/sports channels. The channel has a wide variety of people watching, just because you dont like whats on the current program, doesnt mean other people dont enjoy it. like spaul says, turn the channel.
Guru: GEAUX SAINTS!
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If you ever play Texas Holdem you'll understand this (or even bowl on leagues)...we learn from watching and then doing and I play a lot of Texas Holdem, want to get to that level and play with the best card players and win the million dollar pot but like most people I can't afford 10,000 dollars so I'll just watch and hopefully one day can win a way into it(can't say showing it on TV did this cause military has been playing for years).
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Love poker, but I don't know why theyshow NASCAR, in my opinion it's boring and requires little skill. Anyone can drive in a circle for competition.
Terpsfan Rebooted
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It does have a place on sports television - ESPN cheap to produce time filler that catches lots of advertising dollars.
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ESPN = ENTERTAINMENT and Sports Network
Poker is not a sport, its entertainment. That's why that & other non-sport shows are on. Now, if it's on Fox Sports, that's something totally different...
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