- 12/05/2007, 05:39PM ET
Bigalke said 12/05, 05:39 PM
Arguments are being made loud and wide across the web this week following Sunday's BCS selection. With #1 Missouri and #2 West Virginia both losing in the final week of the season, the system shaked out to have another #1 Ohio State versus #2 SEC Champion matchup. LSU, with its thumping of Virginia Tech and two triple-overtime crapshoot losses, proved its mettle and worthiness to be in the national title game. Playing one of the toughest schedules in the country (and defeating the Middle Tennessees along the way -- don't laugh, Michigan couldn't do it, nor could Alabama), Les Miles' Tigers deserve their chance at contention.
But what has Jim Tressel done to deserve getting his Buckeyes a shot at redemption? Basically, he kept his team on the sideline during the right stretch of season, having ended with a win against Michigan. Ohio State feels like a team living on its legacy at this point; in a season where mediocrity is trumpeted as parity and there are a bunch of number-seventeens masquerading as top-ten squads, shouldn't the top team have more than one victory against a top-thirty team?!
Buckeye Fan 19 said 12/05, 06:10 PM
Well, who do you think should be in it besides OSU? OSU has the best record in college football besides Kansas, who they're tied with (and Kansas didn't even win their division) and Hawaii (OSU and Hawaii's one common opponent was Washington. OSU won AT WASHINGTON by 19, Hawaii won AT HOME by 7). Only one of OSU's wins was in single digits, in which MSU scored TWO defensive TDs, ran less than 10 plays in OSU territory, and, after OSU was up 14-0, MSU never had a chance to take the lead OR TIE. OSU's only loss was to a team that's playing in the Rose Bowl.
Who deserves over them. VaTech lost to LSU BY 41 POINTS. I don't understand how they'd get another shot. Georgia didn't win its division and lost to Tenn. by three TDs. LSU beat Tenn WITH THEIR BACKUP QB. Oklahoma lost to two teams they should have comfortably beaten, TTU and Colorado. And USC, along with another loss, lost to a 41 point underdog AT HOME to Stanford. Stanford finished 4-8 and lost to Notre Dame, who only had three wins.
Ohio State's the obvious choice.
Bigalke said 12/05, 06:47 PM
The simple fact is that, in this crazy season of college football, the most deserving team for the title shot is the team with the fewest blemishes -- yet this season the only unblemished team is relegated to the undercard in New Orleans. For all that people wish to express concern about strength of schedule, the fact remains that, out of 119 Division I-A schools, only the westernmost has remained undefeated.
If you eliminate Ohio State's defeat by Illinois, and take away the losses to the respective teams in question, the Warriors were 12-0 against opponents with a combined 53-80 record. Ohio State was 11-0 against opponents with a combined 64-57 record. The fact remains that there is a divide between the top BCS teams and the rest of the non-BCS field. But, the truth remains that there was a mark in the loss column for the Buckeyes. For all the seasons where one undefeated team has lost out on its chance (Auburn, eh?) to play for the title because of other teams who were undefeated... and the system works to reward big-name teams at the behest of one team who actually ended undefeated...
Buckeye Fan 19 said 12/06, 12:56 AM
So, if you are going by just number of losses, Hawaii would play OHIO STATE ANYWAY. I gave you the one common opponent that both had, Washington, which OSU beat by 19 on the road and Hawaii beat by 7 at home. Hawaii's schedule is in the bottom three in the nation. They kicked a last second field goal to beat Nevada and only won by one against Louisiana Tech (I think that's the team).
OSU has DOMINATED every game (except, of course, Illinois). They have let up 11 defensive TDs in 12 games and average 225 yards given up a game to go along with a powerful running attack. You say strength of schedule doesn't matter, but it does. Hawaii had to struggle to beat a few really bad teams on its schedule. Do you honestly believe, on a neutral field, that Hawaii would beat OSU? I don't think they would.
By the way, you argue in your first argument that LSU's strength of schedule gets them in the game, yet you don't think it's fair to criticize Hawaii's?
Bigalke said 12/06, 02:36 AM
The big bad BCS no longer accounts for either strength of schedule or margin of victory... the Warriors should naturally be in. Whether Buckeye or Jayhawk (they had the loss against the highest-ranked opponent, after all), it should be the young Islanders with the shot for the title.
And Ohio State still has worked against itself, scheduling powderpuffs by desire rather than necessity, and losing a heartbreaker at home. In a season where mediocrity shines greatly over football, doesn't it not seem right that the only untainted squad is currently practicing for the lesser of the New Year's New Orleans bowls...
Buckeye Fan 19 said 12/06, 04:41 PM
So, basically, your only reason for Hawaii is because they have the best record, well, OSU's second best. Right now, you're being a hypocrite, because you use LSU's schedule for them, use OSU's schedule against them, but don't recognize Hawaii's schedule, which was atrocious. And while OSU DOMINATED all but one game, Hawaii struggled with poor teams. There was legitimely two games Hawaii had a chance of losing, that I can think of (BSU and UW). I can think of seven games that many people thought OSU could be upset in.(Washington, Purdue, MSU, PSU, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Michigan).
OSU would take care of Hawaii easily on a neutral field and has been more battle tested. And while margin of victory isn't in the BCS formula, it does play a part in the pollsters mind, as it should. One point over LaTech and two points over Nevada is not good enough.
(By the way, I'm not going to use this to argue for OSU for this year, but saying OSU schedules powderpuffs by desire is so incorrect. When UW was scheduled they had just been to the Rose Bowl. OSU just finished a home and home with UT and will have future ones with USC, Cal, VaTech, Miami, and Oklahoma. OSU schedules very tough.)
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