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Hmmmm... I just posted my argument and he's got two votes already.

I guess that helps my argument...

Billick didn't ruin any QB careers. None of the QBs outside of Grbac were any good to begin with. McNair was on the downside of his career, Boller was terrible at Cal, Blake was a journeyman, Banks was a turnover machine, Dilfer has stunk everywhere he's been, Wright's a 3rd string quarterback, Mitchell was a water buffalo, Cunningham was ancient, etc.. Grbac came into a no-win situation replacing a Super Bowl winning QB and had to overcompensate for a horrific rushing attack.

He said that he could win with all those guys, traded for Stoney Case, Mitchell, Boller, McNair and his offenses always suck.

But don't tell him that, he'll tell you that you aren't smart enough...

Tony Banks had a career year with Billick in 1999. Banks played well in a bunch of games down the stretch that season and absolutely torched a Titans team that went on to play for the Super Bowl. Billick also won a ring with Trent Dilfer who was so bad that he couldn't even find a job as a starter after he was released, McNair went 13-3 last year although he looks completely done now. Stoney Case was horrible. I can't believe you even brought him up. Kyle Boller didn't even complete over 50% of his passes in college until his Senior season. He's the definition of a one year wonder.

"Sorry but your franchise IS classless and a bunch of punks. It's very existence is proof of that. Modell moved the team from Cleveland where the fanbase supported him despite his best effort to destroy the franchise."


LMFAO!!!!!! You are SOOOOO clueless... You OBVIOUSLY don't know why Modell moved the team. The franchise was so deeply in debt that the team was literally one season away from seizure and auctioning. In cleveland, fans were not attending the games and the stadium SUCKED. Modell asked for a new stadium to get more fans and more money, and the city turned him down. When he left, he even left all records, a generous move, so if a new team came along, which it did.


Basically, it was a FORCED move, and Modell tried to be classy about it with the records. MORON...

"You have a history of criminal players like RBs Bam Morris & Jamal Lewis who were signed despite drug convictions"

Again, a vulgar display of utter ignorance. First, Lewis was not prosecuted until well into his tenure with the Ravens. Second, Lewis did NOT participate in a drug deal. The government gave a plea bargain to a convicted criminal, who then romanced Lewis. She then asked him where to buy drugs, and he called a friend and let the two of them talk. HE CALLED A FRIEND. He isn't some thug or criminal.

You know nothing about the Move from Cleveland.

The team itself was making money, it was the failure of Modell's OTHER business entities that caused him to lose money.

The Browns sold out the largest stadium in the league every game, win or lose.

The reason Modell needed money was he was a crappy business man.

And Lewis signed a 1-year contract with the Ravens in 2005 AFTER his conviction for facilitating a drug deal.

You are an idiot.

From a Kosovo on the Chesapeake reporter:

Wednesday, Dec 5, 2007 10:32 am EST

Mike Preston, columnist for the Baltimore Sun, said the Bal...ens are "a bunch of babies and that they embarrassed the city by going after an official late in the game.''

Preston wrote: "The most disturbing thing about the Ravens is their lack of discipline. It's a misguided team.

"After the game, the Ravens whined about the officiating and talked of a conspiracy theory, which they do after every loss now. But what we see is a team where players scream at the coaches because of an ill-advised timeout, or a team and a coach that can't get a break because they constantly berate officials.''

Seriously this stuff just writes itself

"Granted, McAlister made some comments & was fined, but I don't know if you can classify him as a "classless punk" anymore since he hasn't been in any legal trouble or on the field trouble for several years now."

So I guess this should absolve him from drug possession charges or getting thrown off an aircraft for getting into a flight attendants face? If anything it's an excuse for yet another criminal in purple.

LMFAO!!!!!! You are SOOOOO clueless... You OBVIOUSLY don't know why Modell moved the team. The franchise was so deeply in debt that the team was literally one season away from seizure and auctioning. In cleveland, fans were not attending the games and the stadium SUCKED. Modell asked for a new stadium to get more fans and more money, and the city turned him down. When he left, he even left all records, a generous move, so if a new team came along, which it did.


Basically, it was a FORCED move, and Modell tried to be classy about it with the records. MORON...

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That is so completely ridiculous it isn't even funny "close to being seized and auctioned"????????????? Typical RAT revisionist or even worse CLUELESS moron. Do you have even the slightest clue who his partners were ?...BILLIONAIRES of which Lerner offered to buy the team and Moron Modell wouldn't even consider it. Instead the league FORCED him to sell to Steve Bisciotti or it was taking the team from him and running it until a suitable owner could be found.

"Fans not attending"? 74,000+ and the place was full weekly By far the largest stadium in the league. And on those rare occasions when it was close to not selling out the businesses of Cleveland would buy up the remaining tickets to insure sellouts..

"Stadium Sucked" you mean that dump of a stadium which Modell REFUSED to leave and move into the Gateway complex? Again you prove that just like the team the fans are as clueless and the players are classless.

Again, a vulgar display of utter ignorance. First, Lewis was not prosecuted until well into his tenure with the Ravens. Second, Lewis did NOT participate in a drug deal. The government gave a plea bargain to a convicted criminal, who then romanced Lewis. She then asked him where to buy drugs, and he called a friend and let the two of them talk. HE CALLED A FRIEND. He isn't some thug or criminal.


So if you don't get charged until years later it must not have happened? Are you completely clueless as you appear? It takes time to build a case. Also did or didn't J Lewis serve time in PRISON???? ding ding ding correct answer is YES. therefore that does make him a criminal.
R Lewis Better known as SKM made a PLEA BARGAIN guess what he is a Criminal as well. I would list the whole group but i doubt this forum allows that much room for a single post.
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Modell asked for a new stadium to get more fans and more money, and the city turned him down. When he left, he even left all records, a generous move, so if a new team came along, which it did.


Basically, it was a FORCED move, and Modell tried to be classy about it with the records. MORON...



You post is so full of holes i just can't ignore the truth (which seems to be your only talent)

Modell only asked for a new stadium AFTER he was told he couldn't be the landlord in the new gateway complex. He was told the city would put it on the ballot in the fall which he was fine with. But he didn't wait until the fall election, in fact he put a hold on all conversations about a new stadium mid summer saying they would talk more after the season. Then when and made a deal with your city, the same city he told Mike Brown (Bengals Owner since you clearly wouldn't know) not to make a deal with because it would be a bad move.


As for leaving the Name, Colors and Records he didn't do it out of kindness. He did this because he didn't have the money (because only a moron like him could manage to lose money as an NFL owner) to fight the lawsuits lined up against him. So just like SKM he made a deal (guess we know where Ray Ray learned that move) to avoid further legal actions against him amd left the Name,Colors and History/records.

Lets all not forget the shining icon to society that Samari Rolle is, I mean after all he did tell his wife that he loves her by putting a dot on her eye that required 3 stitches to close up. Nothing says class quite like a trip to the er and stitches. Which is it rat fan, did she have it coming, or did she learn her lesson?

A few opinions from rat fan on Bart Scott:

Bart Scott is fine. Lay off the man. We had refs who, suddenly on the last drive, decided to get ticky-tacky when they had been letting us and the patriots play the game all day.

So I guess I'm in the minority, thinking Scott's flag-toss was both appropriate AND hilarious. I thought his actions summed up the feelings of every fan in that stadium at that moment. He didn't punch anyone, no one got hurt, so I don't see it as an "embarrassment" or a "punk move" or whatever. Sure, we all hope he'll conduct himself better next time, but at that moment, sitting in that freezing stadium watching one of our biggest wins ever go down the toilet, I was 1,000% behind Scott.

I thought it was hilarious too...i mean even without him throwing the flag, they still would have kick off from the 50 yard line.

Not only does rat fan back a stolen and classless org. they embrace it. I'm sure it was all the refs fault and if Scott would have dotted the refs eye he would have had it coming or deserved it right?

How about the other year during the game vs Detroit, a ref tossed a flag due to some criminal on the field having "malice in his heart."

Now that you have taken a stroll down memory lane, please don't shank someone tonight ratfan.

All of those qbs listed and rat org has yet to develop one that is actually worth something.

Take it easy on the rookie

Ferndale is a thriving metropilis

Living near Eureka sure is high living

Slamming the Emerald City, huh???

LOL

LMFAO!!!!!! You are SOOOOO clueless... You OBVIOUSLY don't know why Modell moved the team. The franchise was so deeply in debt that the team was literally one season away from seizure and auctioning. In cleveland, fans were not attending the games and the stadium SUCKED. Modell asked for a new stadium to get more fans and more money, and the city turned him down. When he left, he even left all records, a generous move, so if a new team came along, which it did.

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Somebody has a clue........

Yipicya, it's hard for you to be more wrong.

Yipicya... it is good to see some more fresh blood like myself taking a chance here... it would be better to have more people with whom to exchange meaningful debate. Baltimore may not be the classiest franchise in the NFL, but it is also far from being the cesspool of degradation and shame which you purport.

Arguments seen through the spectacles of logic play better than those seen through the blinders of unchecked fandom...