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  • December 15, 2007 08:39 PM ET

SIFS Tourney II: The Mitchell Report WILL affect transactions in the MLB for the next several years

ballplayr9 (28-18-0) vs DJTG_2010 (85-27-3)
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If you haven't heard, this little thing called the Mitchell Report was released on Thursday, and I believe this report will affect transactions in the MLB for years to come.

Take, for example, the case of Roger Clemens. Named in the report (if you didn't know this already) he may be forced into retirement. The Yankees certainly won't pick him up again this year, and I can't really see another team willing to take that kind of publicity hit for a pitcher that might win 12 games.

Another example is that of Miguel Tejada. Allegedly, the report could have been a leading factor in his trade to the Astros, although both teams deny this. The fact of the matter is, any team will be very reluctant to take on any player named in the report, due to the negative publicity associated with these players. Players named should expect to see their market value plummet for at least the next couple years, and some, such as Clemens or Andy Pettitte, may be blackballed out of the league.


Well first of all, those two examples you give are somewhat flawed. Tejada has been on his way out of Baltimore for a long, long time. He was almost traded to the Astros a few years ago and has been the subject of trade rumors for a while. If he was going to be in the Mitchell Report and the Astros were deathly afraid of it, they wouldn't have given up five prospects for him.

It was also obvious Clemens was on his way out. The Yankees are the only team that could afford him and with the emergence of Hughes, Chamberlain, and Kennedy, and possibly Santana, it is obvious that his services are not that important to the Yankees. And it doesn't seem he would want to take a pay cut either. Why pay him nearly $30 million for a half a season? No one else wants to either.

The perfect example of how it has not effected the market as much as you say is Jose Guillen. The Royals signed him to a 3-year, $36 million deal days before the Mitchell Report came out. If the Mitchell Report was having as much of an impact as you say, Guillen would be out of work. But no, Guillen got a big pay day.

Also, this whole thing is "hearsay," which I'll address in my next argument.


I will say, I disagree slightly. I don't believe the Orioles would have been so eager to dump Tejada if he was clean. And I absolutely believe Clemens would have signed with some other team, perhaps not the Yankees, but now could be blackballed out of the league. I also believe there is no way Barry Bonds will be signed by any AL team (the A's) and may be blackballed.

It is true that Guillen signed a big deal before the report came out, as did Eric Gagne with the Brewers. But, as you said, this was BEFORE the report came out. It would have been very easy for either player to simply neglect to mention the fact that their names appeared in the report. This actually seems like the logical thing to do. When you're faced with a revelation that could cost you $6 million a year, would you conveniently "forget" about it? It seems like an easy assumption to make.


Tejada has been part of trade rumors for the past two years. Yes, of course the Mitchell Report has influenced transactions, but it will not influence them to the scope you say they will. There probably weren't that many other teams that were willing to pay that much for Clemens. I mean, who would pay around $20 million for a 45-year old who will pitch half of a season? No. For Clemens, the steroid implications do not make that much of a difference.

For Bonds, before the Mitchell Report, there almost zilch chance he was going to get signed. Major League Baseball was "thinking of him as a former player" so I feel it would be unlikely he would sign and that any team would sign a player facing perjury charges.

And finally, Guillen was already a suspected user. I remember reading articles that day he was signed questioning why the Royals would sign him the day before the Mitchell Report when it was extremely likely he would be named. That didn't deter the Royals.

You have to address the fact that a lot of these players have had steroid accusations hanging over their heads for a long time. Gagne was suspected as well. These suspicions haven't stopped teams.


There's a huge difference between "steroid implications" and "named in the Mitchell Report." Guillen and Gagne may have been suspected users for years, but now there really is little doubt. The court of public opinion did not judge on these players until Thursday, and teams will potentially face a huge public relations hit for signing these players.
For example, if the Brewers had signed Gagne last offseason instead of this offseason, the criticism on the deal would have centered around his dubious ability, not his connection to 'roids. Same with Guillen. When the Yanks signed Clemens in the middle of last season, we all questioned the signing why? Because they paid him $28 million, not because he was connected to HGH. Now, how would we react if the Yankees signed him to the same deal? We'd call Cashman an idiot for signing a player named in the report. It is these types of situations that teams will want to avoid. Bad pub like this is exactly the reason why Bonds won't get signed by the A's and Lo Duca will have a real hard time finding a team.


These teams knew that these guys would most likely be named in the report. It was common knowledge that they were suspected users. Being named in the Mitchell Report only confirms it.

You're talking about PR hits and such. PR matters little when you're winning (look at New England). Transactions will not be affected that much. A few million here and there, but in the grand scheme, they can still play, so sign them. A team's number one goal is to win. Sometimes you have to sacrifice some reputation to do that.

And besides, we don't know for sure if all the players mentioned in the report did anything. Most if it, such as the Brian Roberts implication, is hearsay, which cannot be trusted at all.

And guys mentioned in the report will find teams. LoDuca signed with the Nationals. They'll still get signed and such. It isn't a totally lost cause.

December 15, 2007  08:54 PM ET

Well now we know why ther Orioles dumped Tejada so fast and why no one wanted Lo Duca.

December 15, 2007  10:36 PM ET

Yes we do Coletrain.

December 15, 2007  10:45 PM ET

I have to say, I was freaked out when I saw the Yanks re-signed A-Rod RIGHT BEFORE THE REPORT CAME OUT!

December 16, 2007  03:35 PM ET

ballplaya has a potential large flaw in his 2nd argument. As a nation, we don't know who takes steroids and who doesn't, because we're not there. However, in baseball circles, players know. Word gets around and users are known. They don't need a Mitchell's list to discover them. Second, many players (such as Guillen and Tejada) were strongly suspected of being users before the list came out. Teams, when they sign and make deals for people like that, know what they're getting into.

December 16, 2007  06:17 PM ET

I was suspicious too, Lifer.

December 16, 2007  06:24 PM ET

DJ

December 16, 2007  06:26 PM ET

http://www.fannation.com/throwdowns/show/89597

December 16, 2007  06:27 PM ET

woops

December 16, 2007  08:20 PM ET

good td DJ

 
December 16, 2007  09:36 PM ET

An overwhelming percentage of MLB is juiced. If major league baseball suspended or banned everyone involved, there would be no season in '08. This will pass. By the time the pennant race starts in summer, it will be forgotten

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