Christmas Tourney Round 2-All NBA Underated Team
stecky: pirate hooker said 12/29, 07:24 PM
pg- mo williams
sg- kevin martin
sf- caron butler
pf- al jefferson
c- chris kaman
select your team in first argument, argue in 2nd and 3rd
Da Masta: At camp to july 25 said 12/30, 02:16 PM
C- agree
PF- Rashard Lewis
SF- Richard Jefferson
SG- Caron Butler
PG- Rajon Rondo
I wanted to have all different bur I couldn't find a different center...
stecky: pirate hooker said 12/30, 05:46 PM
Did you really think at the beginning of the season that Al Jefferson would be ahead of KG, Yao, and Duncan in rebounds per game and in the top 5 for RPG(12)? Didnt think so.
Did you really think that Kaman would be in the top 3 for centers in RPG? Did you really think that Kaman would be averaging a double-double...on the Clippers? Didnt think so.
Rondo vs. Williams (this should be fun....)
PPG
rondo- 9.4
williams- 15.9
APG
rondo- 5.3
williams- 7.1
RPG
rondo- 3.9
williams- 3.8
FG%
rondo- .516
williams- .476
FT%
rondo- .590
williams- .823
3PT%
rondo- .333
williams- .402
Mo Williams clearly is more underated, playing on the Bucks and Rondo playing on the Celtics. Rondo clearly gets more attention, but Williams produces much, much more.
i'm almost positive Butler's a SF, but anyway...i'll argue Jefferson vs. Martin
PPG
martin- 24.5
R.J.- 24.8
APG
martin- 2.1
R.J.- 2.7
RPG
martin- 4.9
R.J.- 4.5
FG%
martin- .434
R.J.- .465
FT%
martin- .850
R.J.- .842
3PT%
martin- .398
R.J.- .277
TO/PG
martin- 2.00
R.J.- 2.70
These 2 players have almost exactly the same stats..except for the 3 pt% category. martin kills RJ
Da Masta: At camp to july 25 said 12/31, 11:35 AM
okay first of all why are you even talking about Kaman when I chose him too??? For pg's Rondo is much more underrated than Williams. No teams ever pay attention to Rondo cuz they are paying attention to the big 3. Rondo would get more points if he werent on a star filled lineup. Jefferson vs. Martin now. Jefferson has had a huge breakout year this year getting 5 pts. more than any other season and being in top 5 in scoring. Martin is a player that teams pay attention too now that Mike Bibby is out and Martin is being so good. On the Nets Jefferson still has other people to draw the attention away from him like Carter and Kidd. Carter is usually double-teamed which gets RJ open shots. For power fowards, most of Jefferson's stats come in garbage time when Minny is getting killed. Also cuz he is Minny's only good player other teams do focus on him. For Lewis he is shadowed by guys like Howard and Turkoglu. Lewis is still able to get like 20+ pts per game though. Also for Jefferson tons of people were saying this would be his breakout year and that he would be good so its not so surprising.
stecky: pirate hooker said 12/31, 12:45 PM
You said that Kaman wasnt underrated in the comments, thats why i was talking about him. But, Rashard Lewis is not underrated.
Rondo may be underrated, but Mo is much better. He (Williams) is averaging 7 more points a game than Rondo and 2 more assists a game.
Another flaw in Rondo's game is his free-throw shooting. He shoots 59% from the line. Thats terrible.
al jefferson: 20.3 ppg, 12 rpg, 1.5 apg, 49% fg, 70% ft
rashard lewis: 18.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.4 apg, 44% fg, 85% ft
ADVANTAGES
ppg- jefferson
rpg- jefferson
apg- lewis
fg %- jefferson
ft %- lewis
So jefferson wins 3 of 5, but he won the major categories for a big man (PPG and RPG). You're not too worried about assists for big men, o free throws. So Jefferson is better.
**For the "Jefferson gets his stats in scrub time" quote...**
Jefferson averages more points a game when his team wins than in losses (24 to 19). So that quote was useless.
"Also cuz he is Minny's only good player other teams do focus on him"
If they're focusing on his so much, why is he still averaging 20 points a game? Cause hes good, thats why.
Da Masta: At camp to july 25 said 12/31, 01:03 PM
Okay you win with Williams over Rondo
I win with RJ over Butler
Now for Lewis vs. Jefferson
Obviously he gets more points when they win, nearly all players do, but look at it this way, how many games have they won? 4, 5? You can't judge a players stats by 5 games played. He does get all his stats in scrub time cuz other teams don't even try when they are up so much. Other teams do focus on him but he takes a ton of shots so he has to make some. Also most of them are just layups and dunks. Jefferson's FG% is low for a center. Also Lewis's stats are very good considering he actually plays with good players. Howard gets most of the rebounds and points for Orlando thats why Lewis's stats arent amazing. Anyway like I said before Jefferson is not underrated. Everyone knew he would be a star on a horrible team like Minny.
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Comments (6)
chris kaman and al jefferson are both not underrated... they are both rated
kmahl | 12/29/07, 11:31 PM
Report Offensive CommentKaman is not underrated but I couldnt think of anyone else. Also Jefferson is:
1. not underrated and
2. not so good, most of his stats come in garbage time when Minny is down by like 30 pts.
Da Masta: At camp to july 25 | 12/30/07, 02:43 PM
Report Offensive CommentFor small fowards Jefferson was severly underrated before this season, Butler is also underrated though
Da Masta: At camp to july 25 | 12/30/07, 02:43 PM
Report Offensive CommentFor PG's Rondo is so underrated cuz he plays with 3 allstars so teams never pay attention to him when he is a pretty good player
Da Masta: At camp to july 25 | 12/30/07, 02:44 PM
Report Offensive Commentat the begining of the season they Kaman was underratted...not know though...people every where are talking about him..
Steveo16220 is a GGTK | 12/31/07, 04:31 PM
Report Offensive CommentIt's the all underated team.These players are all underated but Stecky has the better team
(Cincy) Eddie Vedder | 12/31/07, 04:33 PM
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