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NO, NO, NO, NO, NO My Friend RUGator. That's not the attitude at all. PSU has gotten ripped off so many times. 4 undefeated seasons with nothing to show? Had there been a playoff system, or at least the BCS system. The only two National Titles PSU won, they had to beat the #1 team in their bowl game to be the champions.

sorry rugator, even if the polls, bcs, anybody gets it right just from A fans perspective how awesome would it be to see a playoff instead of seeing a 6-6 team play a 7-5 team in a meaningless bowl

what would that do??? the bcs still would rank teams and why only 16 teams???

you wouldn't want to see the top 16 teams have a playoff, that would be awesome,

Anthony, PSU has gotten ripped off?! How, because they had undefeated seasons with "nothing to show?" What does a team get to "show?" So you're willing to diminish the "only two national championships because they had to beat the #1 team in a bowl game to be champion." uh, yeah, that would suffice.

And azcardfan, no I really have no desire to see 16 teams have a playoff, effectively taking even more away from their "regular" seasons. I'm totally o.k. with the way things are.

In my TD, PITT fan55 argues about what makes the NCAA tourney "hot." In my view, that's the kind of thinking that has everyone hysterical. I'm not looking for "hot."

With all due respect fellas, I just feel that many sports fans have bought into a "bigger is better" mentality, without stepping back for a moment to ask "what is so broken that we have to fix?"

localboy, you're my hero! Thanks for your comments. I appreciate your support and I think you'd be surprised to hear that you are not alone in your thinking.

No playoff vs 16 team playoff
NOT EVEN CLOSE
I will take the controversy with the importance of winning every game over seeing a 4 loss team gump their way to the title any day

If you are gonna go with 16 teams, why not 32, or go for it all - 128 team playoff (invite some lower division teams to finish filling out the bracket because it wouldn't be fair to give some teams a bye). That would be, like, so awesome and like, so fair. Can get rid of 1 non-conference game (since every one plays anyway) and the conference title game (wouldn't mean anything anymore). Compared to 16 team playoff would add 2 games for a handfull of teams for 3 of the divisions, add 1 for the conferences with title game... and its so fair...

phhhht! Keep the significance of the bowls, winning the conference, winning every game, and install a LIMITED playoff of 4, 5, maybe 6 teams MAX (I prefer 4 or 5)

Prove it, I think you just did! You are so on the money (what are you doing for MY next TD?) I love the way you put across your point. Thanks.

The current system of "awarding" a National Championship to a team based on a computer analysis in a word-SUCKS. College football is the only sport that does this and I find it ludicrous. I have also observed that in most cases, the individual that doesn't mind, is an individual that "doesn't have a dog in the fight." If the team you support were in the championship picture, I guarantee you would feel differently. Personally I have completely lost interest in college football.
Let me try to make a point here. While Mizzou plays Oklahoma TWICE, Ohio State plays Youngstown State and Akron. Given the level of competition, how does Ohio State move up in the rankings even if Missouri loses one of these games? We're talking athletes that attended these schools because they had no opportunity to play major college football. After the 1st quarter the coach sat his starters to avoid injury. The BCS should remove the "C." Bovine excrement is exactly what it is.

Hllywd--Happy New Year

...so are you arguing we should ignore losses and the fact it is pretty definitive Oklahoma is better than Missouri, and give Missouri and a host of other 2, 3, or maybe even 4 loss programs yet another chance to play for the title... who is spouting "Bovine excrement" now?

Install a 4 or 5 team playoff to act as an extension of the season, encompassing teams with a valid claim to #1 (like Oklahoma) and I am all ears

Install a playoff to give teams a 2nd, 3rd, and sometimes 4th and 5th chance and all I hear is a wimpering puppy who just ran into a bigger dog

-"I have also observed that in most cases, the individual that doesn't mind, is an individual that doesn't have a dog in the fight...Personally I have completely lost interest in college football"

That's just sad. Assuming you are a Missouri fan, your team just had a great season, made a good run for the title, and all you can do is feel bad you clearly aren't #1 and trash teams that have a chance to be?

If you are a fan of another team, a similar statement could be drawn.

Perhaps you could learn from that team you are trashing - 6 days removed from their title chance, I saw their players on TV shaking hands with their rival's and their fans celebrating a trip to the Rose Bowl - obviously they don't share your perspective.

In the same situation you would be crying you aren't being compared failrly to other 1 loss teams.

Obviously, you have not only lost interest in college football, you have lost perspective.

A NCAAF playoff would be the equivalent to March Madness in December-January. I think it is needed and would take the college football postseason to the next level.

I somewhat agree with a playoff,but I agree withRUGator's logic and points

Prove it.
I am by no means advocating 2nd and 3rd chances for 2, 3,or 4 loss teams. What I'm saying is that the system as it is now makes no sense. Anyone regularly on this site knows that I hate Ohio State-in fact I could cheer for Bin Laden first; but I am objective. If they were the best team, I would accept that. The problem is they aren't, and t they have been rewarded an opportunity they don't deserve. And it's sickening to listen to the BCS attempt to justify it. My question to you would be ; do you think the 2 best teams in the country are playing for the National Championship? If your answer is negative, my point is valid.

JFKJR, You have a legit argument (If I do say so myself). Your point about the score relates only to the game at hand. I do care who wins The game. but isn't that enough?

Hllywd--Happy New Year!

You say you hate OSU, so why would I bother to justify a team to a hater?
No 2 loss team DESERVES to play for the title, but unless you buy into Hawaii's or Kansas's claim, 1 has to this year. I put LSU as the most deserving based on their win over VT.

I never said I was against a playoff, and advocate 4 or 5 team playoff as an extension of the regular season for teams with a legitimate claim to #1
I would prefer no playoff (just a championship game) over 16 or even 8 team playoff which would entail a lot of 2 loss teams in any season (2nd and 3rd chance) and likely even some 3 loss teams (4th chance)

You example used Missouri as more deserving - I see no reason to include them in a playoff. it's definitive they lost their claim to Oklahoma twice

I do think the 2 teams with the best claim are playing - the BCS worked, in agreement with all the polls as well (no matter what, at some point a human evaluation enters the system). USC would have been my 3rd. Oklahoma would have been my 4th.

I assume if you differ with the BCS, you have other teams in mind, or are just another hater taking pot shots from the sideline because a team you dislike made it ahead of teams you like.

Prove it

For the record, my team forfeited the opportunity to play in the game. As i stated earlier, I am objective. They blew it and that's that. I live in Columbus and have the Suckeyes to deal with on a daily basis--the reason I don't discuss football with Buckeye fans is because more often than not, they are not knowledgeable football fans. They're just Buckeye fans. Someone earlier stated that Buckeye fans are like Corvette owners. They don't care about any other car or an owner, unless it's another 'Vette. If you think Ohio State belongs in this game, nothing I say is going to convince you otherwise. Personally I don't think they should be rewarded for playing 3 glorified high schools (Not to mention Northwestern) in an 11 game schedule, then going home and while the rest of college football is fighting for their life, Ohio State is promoted from number 7 to number 1 while not playing--and thus "backing" into the National Championship game. Especially in a system that hangs it's hat on strength of schedule. We do agree on one thing however, and that is that a 16 team playoff in November and December would eliminate a lot of controversy. I suppose I should also declare at this point that I'm a USC fan. As I said, I'm also objective. My team doesn't deserve it, and the only way yours does is to buy a ticket.

I'm impressed with the level of interest that this argument has raised. Thanks all who've chimed in and to those about to do so.