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The Celtics early season success IS indicative of how good they really are.

Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox said 01/03, 05:38 AM
27-3.

The argument against is that they "haven't played anyone"

Uh...30 games. MANY of the teams they've played were expected to be powerhouses.

blew out the Lakers...at home...at a time when the Lakers were hot. The Celitics came in as a tired team on the last leg of a 4 games in 5 days western road trip.

They didn't just win, they BLEW OUT the home team.

Yes, the Celts early season record IS indicative of how good they actually are.

Basketball Jesus: CHAMPION! said 01/03, 07:00 AM
Before I make my argument, just remember, I'm not saying the Celts aren't a title contender. Here's what I am saying.

27-3 is the tied for the best start in NBA history. I don't know about you, but I definitely don't think the 2007-08 Celtics are the best team in NBA history.

Also, they're played some tough teams, but they haven't played Dallas, San Antonio, or Phoenix. Frankly, the Lakers, while good, just don't compare to those teams at all. Just because they have the best record in the NBA doesn't mean they are the best team in the NBA.

Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox said 01/03, 07:43 PM
27-3 is tied for the best start in the shot clock era. Whether or not they are the best team of that era remains to be seen, obviously. IF they were able to keep up their current pace then yes, they would certainly be remembered as the best team of the era.

Consider that not another team in the NBA has fewer than 7 losses right now. San Antonio is 5-6 on the road. Dallas is 6-8. Great home teams that have been decidedly mediocre on the road. Boston is 12-2 on the road.

Dallas has 11 losses already, Phoenix has 9 and the Spurs 8. Boston is on pace to lose 8 ALL YEAR. Granted, that's not likely to happen, but it puts some perspective on the difference between what the Celts have done and what your western conference power houses have done. Oh, and Dallas, San Antonio, and Phoenix haven't played BOSTON, yet. The Celtics would have to lose 5 in a row just to get DOWN to the level of San Antonio.

And it's not just their record that is so impressive, it's the manner in which they are winning. Bostons typical game is a 13.5point win. San Antonio, +7. Dallas, +4, Phoenix, +5.5. The Celtics aren't just winning, they are winning in blowout fashion more often than not.

Basketball Jesus: CHAMPION! said 01/03, 09:27 PM
Remember the Spurs have lost Ginobili, Parker, and Duncan all to injury at one point this year. The Spurs have lost just 3 games in which Ginobili, Parker, and Duncan have all played. If the Celtics had lost Garnett, Pierce, or Allen at one point in the season, I'm sure that they would not be 27-3.

Dallas suffered some injury issues early in the year, and the finally have everybody back healthy. Expect them to start performing a lot better. Last night, Dallas crushed Golden State by over 20 points, the team that had their number last season. The Mavs are healthy and look like they're beginning to regain their swagger.

As for the Suns, they've played only 12 home games this season, least in the league, compared to 19 on the road. Most of their losses have come at the hands of quality teams (Lakers, New Orleans, Dallas, Golden State). They're still a great team.

Boston might not even be the best team in it's own conference. Detroit's won 10 straight games, and have won by an average margin of 16.10 over that period.

The Celtics record is the best in the league, but until they beat one of those 4 teams, they aren't the best team in the league.

Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox said 01/03, 10:09 PM
The Celtics did lose Allen for 2 games this year, and won both of them handily. But that doesn't make any difference. You are trying to penalize the Celtics for being relatively healthy, here.

The "healthy" Mavs are 7-3 in their last 10. If they win 20 more IN A ROW, they will match what the Celtics have done thus far. Should I expect them to perform THAT much better?

Most of the Suns losses have come to quality teams? OK. So they can beat up on the mediocre teams but can't handle the better teams...is that what you're saying? Lets look at two of those "quality teams" the Suns have lost to:

Lakers - Celts have beaten them twice. By 13 and by 19
Golden State - Celts beat them by 23

And I find it interesting that you call the Lakers a "quality team" when describing their victory over the Suns, but you talk down about them when I bring up their 19 point home loss to a Celtics team playing it's 4th road game in 5 nights.

In 30 games, the Celtics have yet to end regulation of a game trailing by more than 2 points. They have lost 3 times and are that close to being unbeaten. Not one single bad game out of 30. What other team can make such a claim?

Basketball Jesus: CHAMPION! said 01/03, 10:28 PM
I'm not penalizing the Celtics for being healhty, but think about it. The Spurs have lost each of their 3 best players at one point this year, play in a tougher conference, and play in the toughest division in the league. Still, they have the best record in the West. Let's see how the Celts do head to head versus San Antonio, before we call them the cream of the crop.

Here's what I said about the Lakers: "Also, they're played some tough teams, but they haven't played Dallas, San Antonio, or Phoenix. Frankly, the Lakers, while good, just don't compare to those teams at all."

I just said they weren't in the top tier of the west. In fact, I still called them a good team. How about reading my arguments before you make comments on them?

Give the Mavs some time, it's hard to bring players back into the rotation in the middle of the season. Avery Johnson will eventually get the team back to last year's level of success.

The Celtics haven't played any of the top 3 teams from the West. Against the 2nd and 3rd best teams from the East, they're 1-2.

Beating up on teams like the Lakers and Warriors doesn't prove you're the best team in the league. Beating the Spurs, Mavs, Suns, or Detroit

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