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I hope he likes ND. He may be playing by now if he went to LSU.

I hate to hear this type of story. The kid made a decision to go with CW and ND under the assumption that CW would do "magical" things at ND. Now, two years later, it looks ugly for him. ND is no where near a top-10 caliber team and he's still behind Clausen.

Good for Christ--he will be properly mentored and will get a first rate education.

GHB?

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Originally posted 08:19 AM ET  04.23 by knute1984

Good for Christ--he will be properly mentored and will get a first rate education.

i'll agree with the first rate education and say you have no proof of the "proper" mentoring. And don't give me Brady Quinn because he has Rick Mirer written all over him.

Gator get your facts strait, it's been one year later, he was a freshman last year. A lot of QB's respond well to be challenged and sitting down and learning their first 2 years. Unless I am mistaken he was red-shirted last year, meaning he'll get two years to run the offense himself. It's been a recent trend that these super recruits are handed jobs in the last few years but generally a QB gets his shot his junior year. How bad does sitting hurt USC Qb's?

Where'd this picture of Jabba the Weis come from? He looks positively malnourished, by Jabba standards. Dude's prob'ly getting ready to suck down an entire elementary school classroom full of protein sources.

If Crist (not Christ, knute , Christ is the one signalling your field goals) was so naive as to fall for the "you're too afraid" psycology, then he deserves the pine splinters in his behind.

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Originally posted 08:31 AM ET  04.23 by piratey

Gator get your facts strait, it's been one year later, he was a freshman last year. A lot of QB's respond well to be challenged and sitting down and learning their first 2 years. Unless I am mistaken he was red-shirted last year, meaning he'll get two years to run the offense himself. It's been a recent trend that these super recruits are handed jobs in the last few years but generally a QB gets his shot his junior year. How bad does sitting hurt USC Qb's?

My facts are straight. Clausen was the end all, be all HS QB and Jabba has done NOTHING to "mentor" him. He has gone from a sure fire NFL QB out of high school to a below average college QB. If that's mentoring, then I hope to remain mentorless.

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Originally posted 08:35 AM ET  04.23 by GatorBaitor

My facts are straight. Clausen was the end all, be all HS QB and Jabba has done NOTHING to "mentor" him. He has gone from a sure fire NFL QB out of high school to a below average college QB. If that's mentoring, then I hope to remain mentorless.

mentor

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Originally posted 08:30 AM ET  04.23 by GatorBaitor

i'll agree with the first rate education and say you have no proof of the "proper" mentoring. And don't give me Brady Quinn because he has Rick Mirer written all over him.

Don't send out the jury for Quinn yet, he has still yet to really even play. Look, Derrek Anderson came out of no where Quinn's rookie year and had a great campaign. Last year Anderson played like crap and lost his job to Quinn, who look decent in his starts until he was injured.

Even if Quinn turns out to be a turd, Charlie really did polish that turd about as well as you can. Remember, Quinn was a 2-star recruit.

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Originally posted 08:32 AM ET  04.23 by JRM74

Where'd this picture of Jabba the Weis come from? He looks positively malnourished, by Jabba standards. Dude's prob'ly getting ready to suck down an entire elementary school classroom full of protein sources.

Spring practice, elementary kids were on break. That makes the hunting more difficult. Poor guy, relegated to all you can masticate buffets and water.

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Originally posted 08:37 AM ET  04.23 by piratey

Don't send out the jury for Quinn yet, he has still yet to really even play. Look, Derrek Anderson came out of no where Quinn's rookie year and had a great campaign. Last year Anderson played like crap and lost his job to Quinn, who look decent in his starts until he was injured. Even if Quinn turns out to be a turd, Charlie really did polish that turd about as well as you can. Remember, Quinn was a 2-star recruit.

Quinn played just as well for Ty, so how do you credit Jabba with the polishing?

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Originally posted 08:35 AM ET  04.23 by GatorBaitor

My facts are straight. Clausen was the end all, be all HS QB and Jabba has done NOTHING to "mentor" him. He has gone from a sure fire NFL QB out of high school to a below average college QB. If that's mentoring, then I hope to remain mentorless.

There is an end all be all HS QB every few years. Quinn is about to be a junior. His freshman year he was on a team that had lost all of it's receivers and RBs, coming off surgery to remove bone spurs during the summer. Last year he made of a lot of mistakes that can be chalked up to the fact he was young, had a non-existant running game and a porous offensive line. Hell his freshman year, ND gave up a record number of sacks.

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Originally posted 08:39 AM ET  04.23 by GatorBaitor

Quinn played just as well for Ty, so how do you credit Jabba with the polishing?

Are you serious?


Year CMP ATT YDS CMP %YPA LNG TD INT
2003 157 332 1831 47.3 5.52 85 9 15
2004 191 353 2586 54.1 7.33 54 17 10
2005 292 450 3919 64.9 8.71 80 32 7
2006 289 467 3426 61.9 7.34 62 37 7

He basically doubled his TD's, decreased his INT and increased his comp% by 10 points under Weis.

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Originally posted 08:41 AM ET  04.23 by piratey

There is an end all be all HS QB every few years. Quinn is about to be a junior. His freshman year he was on a team that had lost all of it's receivers and RBs, coming off surgery to remove bone spurs during the summer. Last year he made of a lot of mistakes that can be chalked up to the fact he was young, had a non-existant running game and a porous offensive line. Hell his freshman year, ND gave up a record number of sacks.

And all of the reasons you give for him performing poorly fall on whom? Ty? Non-existant running game (Ty didn't recruit well), Porous offensive line (Ty didn't recruit well), Record number of sacks (Ty didn't recruit well).

but,

Brady Quinn played outstanding his Junior and Senior years (Jabba coached him up, amazing that Ty didn't destroy him). Brady had a better O-Line (Jabba coached them up, amazing that Ty didn't destroy them). Brady had better weapons around him (Jabba coached them up, amazing that Ty didn't destroy them).

You can't have it both ways. You can't say he was a magician his first two years and constrained the last two. It's a cheap excuse.

And so that we are clear, I have a great respect for ND, your traditions and your place in college football, but you have a facade for a HC, a slovenly, arrogant, baby eating, video cheating coach who got that job on the same premise that you shitcanned O'Leary - lies in a resume.

He'll play eventually because I'm not knocking Clausen but if he doesn't step up then Weis might move on past the golden boy to Crist.

' "This is a courtesy visit because you're afraid to compete with Clausen, right?" Weis asked him'

He might as well have said, "What are you, chicken? If you don't come to Notre Dame, you're a wuss!"

Better keep this Crist kid away from any bridges...

I love watching Clausen go from "the greatest high school player ever" to just an ok QB because he shunned UT.

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Originally posted 08:59 AM ET  04.23 by GatorBaitor

And all of the reasons you give for him performing poorly fall on whom? Ty? Non-existant running game (Ty didn't recruit well), Porous offensive line (Ty didn't recruit well), Record number of sacks (Ty didn't recruit well).but,Brady Quinn played outstanding his Junior and Senior years (Jabba coached him up, amazing that Ty didn't destroy him). Brady had a better O-Line (Jabba coached them up, amazing that Ty didn't destroy them). Brady had better weapons around him (Jabba coached them up, amazing that Ty didn't destroy them).You can't have it both ways. You can't say he was a magician his first two years and constrained the last two. It's a cheap excuse.And so that we are clear, I have a great respect for ND, your traditions and your place in college football, but you have a facade for a HC, a slovenly, arrogant, baby eating, video cheating coach who got that job on the same premise that you shitcanned O'Leary - lies in a resume.

Quinn's o-lines were always awful. That was why LSU and OSU destroyed them in bowl games. The weapons Quinn had to work with were baseball players(His goto guy Jeff Samardzija came out of the bullpen for the cubs last year)

The have-it-your-way comes from this: Lou Holtz leaves ND and Bob Davie his D-Cord steps in. Bob Davie inherits Lou Holtz recruits and basically does squat with them. After 5 years they can Davie. Tyrone steps in. He wins 8 in a row with special teams and key interceptions, with Davies recruits. Tyrone then proceeds to TANK the recruiting at ND. His first year he was able to get some players based on that first years success. After that though he had record low recruiting classes for the irish.

SO, assume that 2002 was Tyrone's big recruiting class. That would mean they would all graduate in 2006 right? The starters on the '07 team were basically ALL Freshman and Sophomores. What does that tell you? It tells you that from 03-04 Tyrone brought nothing to the table in terms of recruits.

Looking objectivley you can make the assumption that the 07, 08 seasons were lost due to the poor recruiting done three to four years prior. If ND does not preform this year Charlie will have no excuses, but the last two years defiantly have the benefit of a pretty good excuse wouldn't you agree?(Objectively of course)