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"We bargain for rights to make these workouts voluntary, and that's all I was trying to do." Waters ..

He is absolutely right. A deal is a deal and that was the bargained deal that everyone agreed to. If the owners want it changed, then the new contract is the place to do it.

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Originally posted 08:22 AM ET  06.06 by 50yearfan

"We bargain for rights to make these workouts voluntary, and that's all I was trying to do." Waters ..He is absolutely right. A deal is a deal and that was the bargained deal that everyone agreed to. If the owners want it changed, then the new contract is the place to do it.

Yep.

The Chiefs are in no position to trade Waters. They won't be able to find any value in exchange for a guy that has been the glue on their offensive line and a frequent all-pro. The real issue here is the "Patriot Way". Brian is a very vocal guy and likes to say whatever he feels. The media and fans love him for that. Unfortunately, Pioli runs his team a little differently, depending upon a message that is delivered by the Head Coach and supported by the players' efforts on the field.

Brian has asked for a trade, but probably will not be granted the deal unless something spectacular changes. Could the Chiefs get by without Waters??? Probably. They just signed Mike Goff from the Chargers and have other reserves they could plug in. However, why would you want to weaken a group that was considered the league's worst offensive line just last year? Scott knows that everything starts up front and he'll need Waters to be a leader for the young guys before the season starts. Some concessions may be made, but when push comes to shove, Brian Waters will be wearing red and gold next season. That's just a hunch.

It is through fear of being cut and intimidation by the organization that these OTAs get nearly 100% participation. If they are that important to the success of the team, then do something about it.
The 0-16 Lions had nearly full participation in last years OTAs no doubt. So much for OTAs.
Apply the practice to your own job. " You don't have to be here to work that week, but if you are not, well? and by the way, we are really not paying you one more dime for being here.
Any Court in the Land would rule against the League. These players , even the rookies, have played the game for most of their lives. Maybe, just maybe, if they kept the four pre season games they could get in all the instruction they need. IF they go to a two game pre-season, then everything changes..
The American worker ( that is what these guys are no matter how much they get paid are) has taken the short side of the stick for too long....In every job..

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Originally posted 09:05 AM ET  06.06 by 50yearfan

It is through fear of being cut and intimidation by the organization that these OTAs get nearly 100% participation. If they are that important to the success of the team, then do something about it. The 0-16 Lions had nearly full participation in last years OTAs no doubt. So much for OTAs. Apply the practice to your own job. " You don't have to be here to work that week, but if you are not, well? and by the way, we are really not paying you one more dime for being here. Any Court in the Land would rule against the League. These players , even the rookies, have played the game for most of their lives. Maybe, just maybe, if they kept the four pre season games they could get in all the instruction they need. IF they go to a two game pre-season, then everything changes.. The American worker ( that is what these guys are no matter how much they get paid are) has taken the short side of the stick for too long....In every job..

Nicely stated.

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Originally posted 08:57 AM ET  06.06 by KC guy

The Chiefs are in no position to trade Waters. They won't be able to find any value in exchange for a guy that has been the glue on their offensive line and a frequent all-pro. The real issue here is the "Patriot Way". Brian is a very vocal guy and likes to say whatever he feels. The media and fans love him for that. Unfortunately, Pioli runs his team a little differently, depending upon a message that is delivered by the Head Coach and supported by the players' efforts on the field.Brian has asked for a trade, but probably will not be granted the deal unless something spectacular changes. Could the Chiefs get by without Waters??? Probably. They just signed Mike Goff from the Chargers and have other reserves they could plug in. However, why would you want to weaken a group that was considered the league's worst offensive line just last year? Scott knows that everything starts up front and he'll need Waters to be a leader for the young guys before the season starts. Some concessions may be made, but when push comes to shove, Brian Waters will be wearing red and gold next season. That's just a hunch.

All true. Good Post. Waters can pull it off because he is good. The next guy, not so much.

and I expect KC will still suck.

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Originally posted 09:05 AM ET  06.06 by 50yearfan

The American worker ( that is what these guys are no matter how much they get paid are) has taken the short side of the stick for too long....In every job..

And there is why the Japanese work ethic has eaten us alive.

and the Chinese,,,, moving now to Viet Nam,,,, overpaying for labor caused this collapse. I blame the unions

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Originally posted 09:45 AM ET  06.06 by gdubya 4 NU

and the Chinese,,,, moving now to Viet Nam,,,, overpaying for labor caused this collapse. I blame the unions

There is plenty of blame to go around. CEOs that make 350 times the hourly worker and gets bonus money even when the company loses money? Focus on the stockholder and short term gain at the expense of long term stability for a company? A bloated and overpaid Management in too many Companies?

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Originally posted 10:08 AM ET  06.06 by 50yearfan

There is plenty of blame to go around. CEOs that make 350 times the hourly worker and gets bonus money even when the company loses money? Focus on the stockholder and short term gain at the expense of long term stability for a company? A bloated and overpaid Management in too many Companies?

Yes Sir, I agree. My goal was to retire at 52,,,, took till 56, but I got it done with long term stock. The fast money guys are part of the problem.

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Originally posted 09:45 AM ET  06.06 by gdubya 4 NU

and the Chinese,,,, moving now to Viet Nam,,,, overpaying for labor caused this collapse. I blame the unions

As long as you've got a scapegoat. Wouldn't want to actually try to think through MULTIPLE FACTORS, that get's confusing. You might encounter facts that don't mesh with your worldview.

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Originally posted 11:27 AM ET  06.06 by feralboy12

As long as you've got a scapegoat. Wouldn't want to actually try to think through MULTIPLE FACTORS, that get's confusing. You might encounter facts that don't mesh with your worldview.

all inclusive, I agree... greed, corruption on many levels. ---- I think the pirates of industry have a new tune now.
Perhaps the crooks in Washington have a new respect for eyes on them also.

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Originally posted 09:05 AM ET  06.06 by 50yearfan

It is through fear of being cut and intimidation by the organization that these OTAs get nearly 100% participation. If they are that important to the success of the team, then do something about it. The 0-16 Lions had nearly full participation in last years OTAs no doubt. So much for OTAs. Apply the practice to your own job. " You don't have to be here to work that week, but if you are not, well? and by the way, we are really not paying you one more dime for being here. Any Court in the Land would rule against the League. These players , even the rookies, have played the game for most of their lives. Maybe, just maybe, if they kept the four pre season games they could get in all the instruction they need. IF they go to a two game pre-season, then everything changes.. The American worker ( that is what these guys are no matter how much they get paid are) has taken the short side of the stick for too long....In every job..

I agree. Although they practice in shorts, there is still the possibility of wrecking a knee. That has happened in games where the player wasn't touched. The rookies and perhaps the second year players need the instruction, but veterans......

Does any one realy care about the Chiefs? The Steelers will roll through the AFC west.

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Originally posted 12:48 PM ET  06.06 by LETS GO PENS!!

Does any one realy care about the Chiefs? The Steelers will roll through the AFC west.

Big deal. Who won't.

"Read MY Lips" !!!

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Originally posted 12:48 PM ET  06.06 by LETS GO PENS!!

Does any one realy care about the Chiefs? The Steelers will roll through the AFC west.

Sort of like what the Red Wings are doing to the Penguins.lol