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I wonder if he is looking for talent back or to use Lee as bait to dump other contracts. Maybe to require Jeffries to be part of the deal to further cut for 2010.

The knicks are better off with him cause they wont get Aldrdige from Portland and they already let Frye go who is also now with Portland.
But deciding between keeping Nate McNasty and Lee is a tough one for them.

Cost-cutting = win-cutting

DAVID LEE IS A GREAT PIECE TO A PUZZLE, A CHARLES OAKLEY TYPE. BUT WITHOUT THE SUPERSTAR EWINGOAKLEY WOULD HAVE BEEN A AVERAGE PLAYER. LEE IS A GUY WHO WILL GET HIS BOARDS BUT HE IS A LOW CEILING GUY. I LOVE HIS GAME BUT I FEEL THAT HE SERVES US BETTER IN A TRADE BECAUSE HIS GAME IS NOT WORTH THE HUGE CONTRACT HE WILL DEMAND AND WE NEED MORE THAN JUST ONE PLAYER THAT HE WILL SHACKLE US TO IF WE SIGN HIM TO BUG MONEY

Quick--somebody wake up Danny Ferry. I still think Walsh is an idiot because the Knicks may improve the bottom line, but that doesn't win basketball games. David Lee should be a cornerstone of this franchise, and it is highly unlikely the Knicks will get anything close to equal value for him. Having said that, Lee could become the missing piece in Cleveland. Ferry should be on this immediately.

I'm all for this trade if it involves Eddy Curry... if not then Jared Jefferies and some pieces back. If not we can keep David Lee by redoing and matching any offer.

Lets say he gets a 5 year 60mil deal. He can take minimum next season and the rest will be spread evenly on the length of the contract. This will help him stay a Knick and also not affect the 2010 plan.

But I suspect the real motivation to move him is getting further under the cap, getting some pieces back and to be honest.... you can't possibly be a starter for D'Antoni if y're not a legitimate three point threat.

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Originally posted 10:04 AM ET  06.07 by Hllywd: Old Schoolin'

Quick--somebody wake up Danny Ferry. I still think Walsh is an idiot because the Knicks may improve the bottom line, but that doesn't win basketball games. David Lee should be a cornerstone of this franchise, and it is highly unlikely the Knicks will get anything close to equal value for him. Having said that, Lee could become the missing piece in Cleveland. Ferry should be on this immediately.

Could not agree more. He might average 20 and 12 with the way LBJ distributes and how much they shoot from outside.

This 4 way deal migh worth the try ...

- NY gets: Ford & Hibbert (IND) + Amir (DET)
They adcquire three 2 year max term contracts of three talented youngs that would flourish at DAntonys system.
- IND gets: Lee & future 1st pick (NY)
They obtain a double double talented big guy that can be paired with Murphy and Granger to round a perfect frontcourt. Plus they would still have cap space for signing a veteran PG like Miller or Bibby or Kidd.
- CLI gets: Jeffries (NY) + future 1st pick (DET)
They gain more than 15 mill of capspace relief, the chance to draft Griffin an play him significant minutes along Camby and Randolph, a combo forward to come of the bench and a future pick.
- DET gets: Kaman (CLI)
They adcquire a true C, with good rebounding abilities and post moves. Plus they still have great cap space to make further moves like signing of Boozer, Villanueva, Sessions ...

* All these moves are considering the new capspace for each team and their seemingly frontoffice financial and oncourt direction.

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Originally posted 10:04 AM ET  06.07 by Hllywd: Old Schoolin'

Quick--somebody wake up Danny Ferry. I still think Walsh is an idiot because the Knicks may improve the bottom line, but that doesn't win basketball games. David Lee should be a cornerstone of this franchise, and it is highly unlikely the Knicks will get anything close to equal value for him. Having said that, Lee could become the missing piece in Cleveland. Ferry should be on this immediately.

As you said- I don't think Cleveland has antything of value to
give back- so I don't think they're the place he'd end up

And honestly- what Walsh's plans are I have no clue-
is he trying to simply continue to dump contracts ?
is he trying to start bringing in talent ot keep long term ?

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Originally posted 10:15 AM ET  06.07 by Lordgohan

This 4 way deal migh worth the try ...- NY gets: Ford & Hibbert (IND) + Amir (DET)

are you crazy ?
why the hell would NY bring back LESSER talent & MORE contracts?

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Originally posted 10:06 AM ET  06.07 by Lostwill

I'm all for this trade if it involves Eddy Curry... if not then Jared Jefferies and some pieces back. If not we can keep David Lee by redoing and matching any offer. Lets say he gets a 5 year 60mil deal. He can take minimum next season and the rest will be spread evenly on the length of the contract. This will help him stay a Knick and also not affect the 2010 plan. But I suspect the real motivation to move him is getting further under the cap, getting some pieces back and to be honest.... you can't possibly be a starter for D'Antoni if y're not a legitimate three point threat.

If Walsh can jedi mind trick another GM to take Curry and his contract then he should be exec of the year

I'm not sure resigning Lee hurts 2010 all that much. Realistically they were not going to be able to max deal 2 guys anyway, not in the same free agent year. I think their best course is to target one max deal guy and use what remains to target nice pieces around him. Lee is that, a nice, young, walking double double PF.

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Originally posted 10:06 AM ET  06.07 by Lostwill

But I suspect the real motivation to move him is getting further under the cap, getting some pieces back

but - lets get real here-
lets say we're way under the cap........

there are say 3-4 ELITE players that MIGHT be FA's
and a bunch of other nice talent-

The odds of us getting ONE elite player is SLIM (under 10%)
the odds of getting TWO are basically 0

So for all the cap space we're trying to free- what is it
going to matter if we end up with mediocre players back
going forwards ???

I don't mind trading Lee IF we're starting our long term plan NOW
- I don't know if I can take us simply giving him away for cap space
as we did with Zach & Jamal > which I was all for

Hearing some of you, if Wallace endeed plans to retire, then:

- Wallace & Hickson & future 1st pick (CLE) for Lee & Jeffries (NY)
NY can then buyout Wallace (like half price) and they will recieve a talented big man who might bright with their system. Either way (he retires or not), they gain Jared contract of the books next year. Plus the pick.
CLE rounds a perfect frontcourt with Lee paired along Ilgauskas and Lebron.

* Then again, I doubt Walsh is that dumb ... the trade meets his intention but it also helps Lebron staying in CLE.

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Originally posted 10:19 AM ET  06.07 by jgb

are you crazy ?why the hell would NY bring back LESSER talent & MORE contracts?

Walsh plan (not mine) is to get NY low under the cap for 2010, therefor Nate & Lee are not going to be re-signed as they would ask for long terms.

Considering that and not the players oncourt value similarities, the propposed 4 way trade accomplish the dessired goal, as all contracts expire after next season. Also, while none is individually as good as Lee, their combined roles and production would make Ny as "competitive" as they are now (if that sacrilege is allow to be said)

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Originally posted 10:25 AM ET  06.07 by jgb

The odds of us getting ONE elite player is SLIM (under 10%)the odds of getting TWO are basically 0So for all the cap space we're trying to free- what is it going to matter if we end up with mediocre players backgoing forwards ???I don't mind trading Lee IF we're starting our long term plan NOW- I don't know if I can take us simply giving him away for cap spaceas we did with Zach & Jamal > which I was all for

You have to stop tearing down at some point. Walsh has done a good job at creative flexability for the future out of a mess. The key word is flexability, dont get to fixiated on 2010. If the Knicks fail to LBJ, Bosh, or Wade and you've also traded Lee prepare for a few more years of lottery picks. Lee should be a solid piece of the future. Young double double guys dont grow on trees.

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Originally posted 10:15 AM ET  06.07 by Lordgohan

IND gets: Lee & future 1st pick (NY)They obtain a double double talented big guy that can be paired with Murphy and Granger to round a perfect frontcourt. Plus they would still have cap space for signing a veteran PG like Miller or Bibby or Kidd

Are you crazy? The thing the Pacers need is an athletic PF and another wing...there is no need to go around and get a rebounding, role player as your PF. You already have that in Troy Murphy. What they need is a Tyrus Thomas type of player.

Keep Lee, trade Jeffries along with Nate Robinson and Wilson Chandler for a good player...lets say Manu Ginobili (I doubt it). That's were they have to go from here. Get legitamite role players to go along with whoever they sign in 2010, whether it's Amare Stoudemire, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, or whoever.

Anothe move that they should explore is:

- Lee & Jeffries & two future 1st picks (NY) for Bosh (TOR)
NY obtains a year ahead one of the 2 superstar players (along Stoudamire), that has real chances of signing with NY.
TOR does it to get something back from a player they know they will loose as a FA.

- Then again this trade does not consider equal on court value of the players involved, but how many of the trades made do consider that ? ... maybe 5%.

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Originally posted 10:37 AM ET  06.07 by Lordgohan

Walsh plan (not mine)

lol.....but YOU are the one regurgitating the 'trade-machine'
garbage to the rest of us which means either you AGREE
or you're just spamming the board...
I'd like to think that you are not simply spamming us-
and actually BELIEVE what you are writing ?

If I'm wrong >> then STOP (please) cause it's garbage

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Originally posted 10:40 AM ET  06.07 by Denis24

Are you crazy? The thing the Pacers need is an athletic PF and another wing...there is no need to go around and get a rebounding, role player as your PF. You already have that in Troy Murphy. What they need is a Tyrus Thomas type of player.

Granger plays his best at SF and they also have Dunleavy (when healthy). They do need a SG and a better PG ... Turkoglu & Miller come to my mind as perfect fits.

As you may know, Murphy has no interior post moves at all and that is what Lee should provide (he is no Howard, but that would free the 3ptrs), along with crashing the boards wich would prevent other teams second chances and grant IND the ignition of more fastbrakes wich is consistent with their offensive playstyle.