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5 years to 3? That's not a complete overturn. That's a reduction. Maybe FSU should get 40% of it's wins returned. Instead of 14 football wins lost, they only lose 8.4 wins.

This is becoming ridiculous.

Gotta give me one thing, they have certainly circled the wagons for Bowden. Wonder if they know how bad it's making them look.

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Originally posted 11:31 AM ET  07.02 by ICEnSoCal

Wonder if they know how bad it's making them look.

I doubt it. This is embarrassingly stupid. We need to man-up, take our medicine, and MOVE ON!

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Originally posted 11:31 AM ET  07.02 by ICEnSoCal

Gotta give me one thing, they have certainly circled the wagons for Bowden. Wonder if they know how bad it's making them look.

can't be as bad as going out to provo and losing to byu. (sept. 19) its not looking good for fsu or miami to start the season, FSU (1-3) and Miami (0-4)

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Originally posted 11:46 AM ET  07.02 by sethgator

can't be as bad as going out to provo and losing to byu. (sept. 19) its not looking good for fsu or miami to start the season, FSU (1-3) and Miami (0-4)

You think FSU is going to lose to Jacksonville State?

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Originally posted 11:56 AM ET  07.02 by Vols RULE!

You think FSU is going to lose to Jacksonville State?

I thought i read somewhere that J St was 8-3... FSU better not take them lightly lol...

I dont think BB or TK care... since they will be gone next year

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Originally posted 11:25 AM ET  07.02 by MountainGator

5 years to 3? That's not a complete overturn. That's a reduction. Maybe FSU should get 40% of it's wins returned. Instead of 14 football wins lost, they only lose 8.4 wins. This is becoming ridiculous.

5 years to 3 is like having a reduction from a DD cup to a C cup. UNACCEPTABLE.

Looks like JoePa will forever pwn Bobby Bowden when it comes to career wins...woooooo!!!!

Give Bobby his wins. Vacating wins is such a lame a-s-s way to punish a school. Unless JoePa dies before 2011, there is no way Bobby is going to catch him anyway. JoePa has a 3-year deal and Bobby will have to pack his bags in 2. There is no way FSU will pay Jimbo $5 million to keep Bobby around one more year. Let's just move on with this already.

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Originally posted 11:56 AM ET  07.02 by Vols RULE!

You think FSU is going to lose to Jacksonville State?

Of course not. Seth is just stirring the pot somewhat with a little trash talk. By UF/UM/FSU standards, it's fairly mild.

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Originally posted 11:46 AM ET  07.02 by sethgator

can't be as bad as going out to provo and losing to byu. (sept. 19) its not looking good for fsu or miami to start the season, FSU (1-3) and Miami (0-4)

I don't see that at all. I think FSU starts the season 4-0. I really think FSU will be a lot better than last year. But, I guess we won't know until the season finally comes.

I do think it is very possible that Miami starts 0-4 and Shannon's seat will be very hot...

At Florida State
Georgia Tech
At Virginia Tech
Oklahoma

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Originally posted 11:56 AM ET  07.02 by Vols RULE!

You think FSU is going to lose to Jacksonville State?

should have read fsu (1-3 or 2-2) miami (1-3 or 0-4)

Problem is, now the lawyers have their hooks in the situation, and you'd have to gnaw their arms off to get them to let go. Trouble.

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Originally posted 12:17 PM ET  07.02 by KingFootball

I don't see that at all. I think FSU starts the season 4-0. I really think FSU will be a lot better than last year. But, I guess we won't know until the season finally comes.

don't know, they have miami and jax. st. but ponder is still making mistakes and the o-line still has to prove themselves, no to mention who is going to catch the ball. still a lot of questions to be answered, dakota watson (lb) ran a faster 40 than half of the wideouts. and who is going to be in the starting secondary/at running back.

(W) Miami
(W) Jacksonville St.
(L) BYU
(L) South Florida

It's just stupid to vacate wins. It doesn't do anything really. Penalizing (scholarships and post season ban) the next few years matters. Why take away the wins? The only way I can see that being fair is if Bowden knew all of the cheating was going on. But hey. Who knows? Maybe he did.

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Originally posted 12:36 PM ET  07.02 by thegrinder

It's just stupid to vacate wins. It doesn't do anything really. Penalizing (scholarships and post season ban) the next few years matters. Why take away the wins? The only way I can see that being fair is if Bowden knew all of the cheating was going on. But hey. Who knows? Maybe he did.

I agree. If you want to penalize a program do it for current and future things, not past.

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Originally posted 12:27 PM ET  07.02 by sethgator

dakota watson (lb) ran a faster 40 than half of the wideouts. and who is going to be in the starting secondary/at running back.

WR Bert Reed - 4.3, WR Louis Givens - 4.31, WR Richard Goodman 4.34.

LB Dekoda Watson - 4.39, LB Nigel Bradham - 4.48, LB Maurice Harris - 4.48.

Our receivers aren't slow. Our linebackers are fast. Our offense is good, our defense is better. We'll be fine as long as our administrators pull their heads out of their rectums and give up this idiotic appeal.

"Bailiff! Whack his pee pee!"

Coming from out West where we couldn't care much less who you southeastern schools think you are, it is laughable to watch the FSU president prostitute himself for the sake of saving wins for his coach. Anyone but Bowden and this would have been a no contest, no care, let's get on with it affair. To intimate that it is otherwise is an insult to even the dumbest person's intelligence. I don't know who the bigger fool is - FSU or the NCAA. The current arguments, if extrapolated to all other schools, would have the NCAA handing out no sanctions whatsoever since they would be affecting kids who played no part in past wrongdoings. It may be too bad that innocents are hurt by the actions of others, but get over it people - this is real life where that happens everyday.