do they need iggy when the have shaq ??

Big Z has had a very big pay while at Cleveland, being 7 foot 3 you would think his FG% would be greater than 50% - but the further away you shoot the lower your %'s are going to be in most cases...

He really shouldn't have started shooting 3's last season (before last season most 3's was 2 of them)...last season he made 15 of 39 threes over 65 games (38%), and in the playoffs he put up 13 of them and made just 2 over 14 games.

For a big he does have range - But he would be more effective if he used his 7 ft 3 height and posted up....But i guess a Sh-i-t Leapord can't change it's Sh-i-t spots.

once again the Cavs shud get 55+ Wins, one would think.

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Originally posted 06:58 AM ET  08.24 by AlwaysWriteNZ

... but the further away you shoot the lower your %'s are going to be in most cases...

Sounds like a player the Mavs would want. Like we don't have enough of these currently.

About time!! Hes been garbage since he got into the leauge....I dont like him or his play at all. ANd he keeps getting paid millions!!!!

Problem is they now have two centres that have battled a slew of injuries over the last few years. Does anyone think either of them can carry big minutes and last a whole season? They have to spell each other to get the best production, simple as that.

Ferry has to go for broke this season, it is his biggest chip in resigning the King. There are no reasons to think about two or three seasons away if the King decides to bolt.

So, i guess both center will be traded by mid FEb like what they said about Shaq, the caves mights well go the opposite and sign Spud WEb, Earl Bokins, to come help out Lebron who needs those slow big men.

He's the big, lovable reason the Cavs can't go any deeper into the playoffs (along with their under-sized guards). Big men just abuse him in the paint. Watch any of the Orlando games to see a man whose every movement and expression convey that he knows has no chance to complete his defensive assignment. He literally is incapable of jumping, and his fear is evident in his love of the mid-range set shot and weak fade away. We love Z in Cleveland, but we would love to see him in suit coat even more in 2009...

If you trade Iggy you loose the rebounding and the space he creates that allows Lebron and the undersized guards to penetrate with ease which will lead to a bad regular season. If you totally rely on Shaq who can't hit a shot or defend the pick role for 82 games y're asking for a total breakdown before the playoffs start. If you trade Shaq y're back at square one - at the mercy of Orlando.

So what's Ferry supposed to do? Nothing! He'd be better off taking his chances cos the alternatives are not any better. The Cavs as they are right now won't go far in the playoffs but at least Ferry can look back and be like he obtained Shaq to address a need. Bottom line is he made a very bad bed...

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Originally posted 08:55 AM ET  08.24 by Lostwill

If you trade Iggy you loose the rebounding and the space he creates that allows Lebron and the undersized guards to penetrate with ease which will lead to a bad regular season. If you totally rely on Shaq who can't hit a shot or defend the pick role for 82 games y're asking for a total breakdown before the playoffs start. If you trade Shaq y're back at square one - at the mercy of Orlando.So what's Ferry supposed to do? Nothing! He'd be better off taking his chances cos the alternatives are not any better. The Cavs as they are right now won't go far in the playoffs but at least Ferry can look back and be like he obtained Shaq to address a need. Bottom line is he made a very bad bed...

Lost plesae not this morning!....lol

*please

Yes, Ilgauskas was outplayed by Dwight Howard in the playoffs. And? Dwight Howard is the best center in basketball right now. That's going to happen. The Cavs couldn't beat the Magic because they couldn't match up with Rashard Lewis. Z is a very capable center. He's aging, and yes, he probably makes a bit too much money (he's not the only one), but he's a good shooter (HUGE edge on O'Neal at the FT line) and rebounder, and he changes a lot of shots at the rim with his size. His numbers aren't that far off of Shaq's and he's not making the money that he's making. Shaq scored 5 more points per game and had 1 more rebound in about 3 more minutes per, and he's making 10 million more.

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Originally posted 08:35 AM ET  08.24 by joec

.Ferry has to go for broke this season, it is his biggest chip in resigning the King. There are no reasons to think about two or three seasons away if the King decides to bolt.

I totally disagree (respectfully)

They wouldn't have to 'go for broke' had Ferry SMARTLY build the
team the last few years around LBJ....
They also don't need an All Star at every position when you have
LBJ - you need COMPLIMENTARY pieces - & not 30+ year old ones
which Ferry loves

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Originally posted 08:16 AM ET  08.24 by NC83

About time!! Hes been garbage since he got into the leauge....I dont like him or his play at all. ANd he keeps getting paid millions!!!!

Come on - he's not 'garbage'
Look at the centers around the league- he's a top 10 center
believe it or not.......
Does he shoot too many jumpers- yes
Should he stay in the post offensively- yes

But he's not garbage

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Originally posted 08:57 AM ET  08.24 by Teemon_216

*please

Teemon, it's the truth. The Shaq trade is one of the series of bad decisions Ferry has made to put the Cavs in this predicament. What the Cavs needed is a monster power forward to compliment Ilgaukus and Lebron.

He should have worked harder to obtain Zach Randolph, Amare or Boozer but instead he chose the easy way out and now the Cavs are officially the WAITING TO EXPLODE TEAM. I know this article talks about bringing somebody before the February deadline but don't forget it takes time for a new player to jell with the team as they have to learn the offensive and defensive schemes... all I'm trying to say is that Ferry blew another call and this time he may not have the chance to redeem himself cos the prize - Lebron can disentangle himself from his tentacles... another Cleveland playoff loss is inevitable.

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Originally posted 09:01 AM ET  08.24 by Hoffa The Great

Yes, Ilgauskas was outplayed by Dwight Howard in the playoffs. And? Dwight Howard is the best center in basketball right now. That's going to happen. The Cavs couldn't beat the Magic because they couldn't match up with Rashard Lewis. Z is a very capable center. He's aging, and yes, he probably makes a bit too much money (he's not the only one), but he's a good shooter (HUGE edge on O'Neal at the FT line) and rebounder, and he changes a lot of shots at the rim with his size. His numbers aren't that far off of Shaq's and he's not making the money that he's making. Shaq scored 5 more points per game and had 1 more rebound in about 3 more minutes per, and he's making 10 million more.

Good points! I am not a huge fan of Z but looking at his numbers compared to Shaq's or other centers last year and he matches up pretty well. And you are totally right when it comes to his defense on Howard. Dwight can have his way with pretty much any center in the league but this was not the reason they lost to Orlando. They could not defend the pick on the perimeter so lewis and Turk had their way with the Cavs. It seemed like Orlando hit every 3 they put up because of this and when they ran into the Lakers who could defend it they didn't have the space and the shots didn't fall.
I think the Cavs will do well this year and if they can get hot at the right time (playoffs) they have a chance to win it all. I am not saying they will but I am pretty sure this will be Shaq's last year and I know he wants to go out with another title.

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Originally posted 09:13 AM ET  08.24 by jgb

I totally disagree (respectfully)They wouldn't have to 'go for broke' had Ferry SMARTLY build theteam the last few years around LBJ....They also don't need an All Star at every position when you haveLBJ - you need COMPLIMENTARY pieces - & not 30+ year old oneswhich Ferry loves

True!! I think Ferry's mentality was like his game, He thinks like he played and that is his problem. He was a decent shooter and defender but never the all star he thinks he was. His decisions to go after players is questionable and I think the Cav's would be better served with another GM who can spot young talent and build on it. I don't like it that he is going after short term solutions when they have arguably the best player in the league who is still very young. He needs to get younger studs to play along side of LBJ! I think this is the reason that the high profile players did not choose to come to Cleveland, Not because of LBJ but Ferry. They know that he has a knack for picking used parts for the machine when a new part will work much better.

Z and Shaq should compliment each other this season. If CLE loses one of them for a lesser talent they will be back where they were last yr.

Besides Z is an unconventional 5, and causes mismatches for most teams in the league. He will be rejuvenated playing along side Shaq. It will be a bad move to ship him away, but as a LAL fan I'd love to see it happen, cause Shaq cant hold down the fort all by himself, just look what happen to PHX after Amare had eye surgery.

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Originally posted 09:14 AM ET  08.24 by Lostwill

Teemon, it's the truth. The Shaq trade is one of the series of bad decisions Ferry has made to put the Cavs in this predicament. What the Cavs needed is a monster power forward to compliment Ilgaukus and Lebron. He should have worked harder to obtain Zach Randolph, Amare or Boozer but instead he chose the easy way out and now the Cavs are officially the WAITING TO EXPLODE TEAM. I know this article talks about bringing somebody before the February deadline but don't forget it takes time for a new player to jell with the team as they have to learn the offensive and defensive schemes... all I'm trying to say is that Ferry blew another call and this time he may not have the chance to redeem himself cos the prize - Lebron can disentangle himself from his tentacles... another Cleveland playoff loss is inevitable.

If Ferry had traded for Zach Randolph I would have bought my LBJ Knicks jersey the next day. Randolph equals multiple losing seasons. No way the Cavs win a championship with that guy on their team and his salary alone would not allow the Cavs to add another piece, if LBJ reups, for 2010.

No way the Cavs take Boozer back. Now Amare would have been perfect, especially at the four next to Big Z, but who could they have possibly traded to PHX that would be close to equal value?

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Originally posted 09:13 AM ET  08.24 by jgb

I totally disagree (respectfully)They wouldn't have to 'go for broke' had Ferry SMARTLY build theteam the last few years around LBJ....They also don't need an All Star at every position when you haveLBJ - you need COMPLIMENTARY pieces - & not 30+ year old oneswhich Ferry loves

Ferry hasn't done that bad a job with personell. My only knock on Ferry is his inability to get another legit "star" player next to Lebron but considering what he had when he took over the Cavs, the fact that he has never had a lottery pick, and has a small market payroll he has done a decent job. The Cavs went to the Finals and were one game away last year. He added Maurice Williams and now Shaq as two former all-stars (although I think Shaq will be a terrible fit).

As for Shaq and Big Z if Shaq plays 28 minutes per game and Big Z plays 20 minutes per game that should keep the two of them healthy and fresh for their playoff run.

anybody remember what cleveland was like before lebron got there? in case you forgot, get ready for a reminder after this season, cus he's outta there. They've got a horrible front office, and arguably the dumbest coach of the year in nba history.