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He may be shaken, but not as much as Manuel looked in his post game presser last night. Poor old Charlie looked like he did not know if he should **** or go blind.

Paging Dr. Heimlich...please report to the Phillies' clubhouse at once.

"Mostly, Manuel says he sees a young, talented pitcher dealing with real adversity for the first time in his career."

At this juncture, I would only note that he isn't dealing well with adversity.

Maybe he was talking about his pitching funk he is in. His velocity is up but it seems that the hitters are sitting on his change up, which doesn't seem to have the same kind of movement on it.

Hamels is good and if the phils don't want him I'm sure 29 other teams do.

I believe Cole Hamels' comment is quite appropriate, one for which he should be lauded - not scorned. Mr. Hamels is merely vocalizing a desire to be free of the continued bleeding and pain that is the 2009 World Series.

The 2009 Phillies have "bellied-up" to the Yankees, as did the Angels, as did the Twins. Those who believe the Yankees are a dominant, over-powering team are - in my opinion - delusional. The New York Yankees franchise is a morally and ethically bankrupt organization, and has done more to destroy "The Game" (since George Steinbrenner took over) since the game began.

The Phillies, Angels and Twins demonstrated embarrassing absence of competent coaching and execution of fundamentals. This has made the Yankees look to be far better a team than they really are. Between pitching, baserunning and defense, each of the losing teams have shown why baseball has transitioned from the purest and most beautiful sport into a sad, pitiful pseudo-sport.

Where did all of this come from? Ego, driven by money. Since George Steinbrenner signed Dave Winfield to an obscene multi-million dollar contract years ago, baseball - and sports in general - have nothing to do with the game. It is about ego and the money that shapes the players' egos.

The Yankees "victory" in the 2009 World Series, at best, should have an asterisk. They've "back-doored" to their "win," through the morbid coaching and performance failures of 3 would-be championship teams - and the Yankees' absence of business acumen and ethics.

I mourn the death of baseball, even though it's been dead for a very long time. At least I have memories of when the sport was alive!

QUOTE(#5):

Originally posted 08:02 AM ET  11.02 by saftgek1149

I believe Cole Hamels' comment is quite appropriate, one for which he should be lauded - not scorned. Mr. Hamels is merely vocalizing a desire to be free of the continued bleeding and pain that is the 2009 World Series.The 2009 Phillies have "bellied-up" to the Yankees, as did the Angels, as did the Twins. Those who believe the Yankees are a dominant, over-powering team are - in my opinion - delusional. The New York Yankees franchise is a morally and ethically bankrupt organization, and has done more to destroy "The Game" (since George Steinbrenner took over) since the game began.The Phillies, Angels and Twins demonstrated embarrassing absence of competent coaching and execution of fundamentals. This has made the Yankees look to be far better a team than they really are. Between pitching, baserunning and defense, each of the losing teams have shown why baseball has transitioned from the purest and most beautiful sport into a sad, pitiful pseudo-sport.Where did all of this come from? Ego, driven by money. Since George Steinbrenner signed Dave Winfield to an obscene multi-million dollar contract years ago, baseball - and sports in general - have nothing to do with the game. It is about ego and the money that shapes the players' egos.The Yankees "victory" in the 2009 World Series, at best, should have an asterisk. They've "back-doored" to their "win," through the morbid coaching and performance failures of 3 would-be championship teams - and the Yankees' absence of business acumen and ethics.I mourn the death of baseball, even though it's been dead for a very long time. At least I have memories of when the sport was alive!

Try some water to get that "bitter pill" down. if it wasn't for Steinbrenner there would probably be at least 6 less teams in MLB. Of course he is the only one paying out the money.
Let's go back to the good old days when men were men and **** had their own league.

The rest of the non-NY world can't wait for it to end either, Coal Hammalzzz. This is the team that beat a tired, young, flash in the pan Rays team last year. Now Lidge's wheels have fallen off and they're playing the scariest lineup this side of the '27 Yankees. We ALL just want it to end. Unless the Phillies found a way to clone Cliff Lee they were done from the start.

QUOTE(#5):

Originally posted 08:02 AM ET  11.02 by saftgek1149

I believe Cole Hamels' comment is quite appropriate, one for which he should be lauded - not scorned. Mr. Hamels is merely vocalizing a desire to be free of the continued bleeding and pain that is the 2009 World Series.The 2009 Phillies have "bellied-up" to the Yankees, as did the Angels, as did the Twins. Those who believe the Yankees are a dominant, over-powering team are - in my opinion - delusional. The New York Yankees franchise is a morally and ethically bankrupt organization, and has done more to destroy "The Game" (since George Steinbrenner took over) since the game began.The Phillies, Angels and Twins demonstrated embarrassing absence of competent coaching and execution of fundamentals. This has made the Yankees look to be far better a team than they really are. Between pitching, baserunning and defense, each of the losing teams have shown why baseball has transitioned from the purest and most beautiful sport into a sad, pitiful pseudo-sport.Where did all of this come from? Ego, driven by money. Since George Steinbrenner signed Dave Winfield to an obscene multi-million dollar contract years ago, baseball - and sports in general - have nothing to do with the game. It is about ego and the money that shapes the players' egos.The Yankees "victory" in the 2009 World Series, at best, should have an asterisk. They've "back-doored" to their "win," through the morbid coaching and performance failures of 3 would-be championship teams - and the Yankees' absence of business acumen and ethics.I mourn the death of baseball, even though it's been dead for a very long time. At least I have memories of when the sport was alive!

Uh-oh. What's the over/under on this post getting quoted and responded to? I'll go with 50.

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Originally posted 08:09 AM ET  11.02 by bruins6988

Uh-oh. What's the over/under on this post getting quoted and responded to? I'll go with 50.

My guess on the usual Yankee retorts:

They play by the rules of the CBA
Their revenue sharing money enriches the owners of small market teams
Spend money and get better
The Steinbrenners care about winning more then any other owners
The current revenue sharing and luxury tax system in the MLB is a joke which still allows small market teams to make money while doing nothing to address the fundamental fact that no team unable to afford a payroll of over +$100 mil has zero chance of playing deep in October let alone win the WS

QUOTE(#10):

Originally posted 08:19 AM ET  11.02 by Wanted Man

... while doing nothing to address the fundamental fact that no team unable to afford a payroll of over +$100 mil has zero chance of playing deep in October let alone win the WS

Um, I'm no Yankee fan, but you only need to go to last year's WS to prove that wrong. Tampa Bay's 2008 payroll: $43,820,598

The Phillies needed this World Series....they won a championship against a Tampa Bay Rays team that, quite frankly, had no business being there in the first place. This year, they stormed through a poor division once again, and found themselves back in the WS against a legitimate, storied contender. And now, they are folding like a house of cards. I think the Phils were very fortunate to play the Rays last year....

QUOTE(#5):

Originally posted 08:02 AM ET  11.02 by saftgek1149

Those who believe the Yankees are a dominant, over-powering team are - in my opinion - delusional

Exactly! I mean, it's not like they won 103 games in the most talented division in baseball or anything! They are, totally, not-dominant.

So steinbrenner ruied baseball? I dont think so. He has the desire to win at all costs. Every one of these owners has he money to spend on good players. Yes I know the Yankees have high revenue, and the small market teams do not. How about spending that fat check they get from the Yankees each year on their teams instead of pocketing it.

This Phillies team is a very solid team. If they had one more big time pitcher they would probably be winning the series. To say that the Yankees have "back doored" their way to wins in the postseason is moronic. And to say that the coaching has been incompetent is another moronic coment. So Ron Gardenhire and Mike Scosica are bad mangers? Try again. The Yankees have but a great product on the field, from their powerful lineup to their great starting pitching. Trying to take that away from them is unfair.

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Originally posted 08:27 AM ET  11.02 by shafnutz05

they won a championship against a Tampa Bay Rays team that, quite frankly, had no business being there in the first place.

Well, I would argue that in 2008 1) the Rays were a better team than the Phillies and that 2) it was the Phillies who in fact really had no business being in the World Series. They were probably the fifth or sixth best team in 2008.

QUOTE(#5):

Originally posted 08:02 AM ET  11.02 by saftgek1149

I believe Cole Hamels' comment is quite appropriate, one for which he should be lauded - not scorned. Mr. Hamels is merely vocalizing a desire to be free of the continued bleeding and pain that is the 2009 World Series.The 2009 Phillies have "bellied-up" to the Yankees, as did the Angels, as did the Twins. Those who believe the Yankees are a dominant, over-powering team are - in my opinion - delusional. The New York Yankees franchise is a morally and ethically bankrupt organization, and has done more to destroy "The Game" (since George Steinbrenner took over) since the game began.The Phillies, Angels and Twins demonstrated embarrassing absence of competent coaching and execution of fundamentals. This has made the Yankees look to be far better a team than they really are. Between pitching, baserunning and defense, each of the losing teams have shown why baseball has transitioned from the purest and most beautiful sport into a sad, pitiful pseudo-sport.Where did all of this come from? Ego, driven by money. Since George Steinbrenner signed Dave Winfield to an obscene multi-million dollar contract years ago, baseball - and sports in general - have nothing to do with the game. It is about ego and the money that shapes the players' egos.The Yankees "victory" in the 2009 World Series, at best, should have an asterisk. They've "back-doored" to their "win," through the morbid coaching and performance failures of 3 would-be championship teams - and the Yankees' absence of business acumen and ethics.I mourn the death of baseball, even though it's been dead for a very long time. At least I have memories of when the sport was alive!

Manifesto......and a dumb one at that

QUOTE(#12):

Originally posted 08:27 AM ET  11.02 by shafnutz05

I think the Phils were very fortunate to play the Rays last year....

Correction: they were very fortunate to beat the Rays last year.

QUOTE(#11):

Originally posted 08:23 AM ET  11.02 by bruins6988

Um, I'm no Yankee fan, but you only need to go to last year's WS to prove that wrong. Tampa Bay's 2008 payroll: $43,820,598

And the Rays got swept in four. An occasional fluke doesn't negate the trend. This year, the Twins and Rockies in the post season was an embarrassing joke...and I'm a Twins fan.

Oh and I almost forgot the most classic of all Yankee fan retorts resorted to by their most intelligent of fans: waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(#16):

Originally posted 08:30 AM ET  11.02 by M3ATPLOW

Manifesto......and a dumb one at that

Agreed. That guy's all over the place.

QUOTE(#18):

Originally posted 08:31 AM ET  11.02 by Wanted Man

And the Rays got swept in four.

No they didn't.