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Well Browns fans...it's a start. But if this means that Mangina gets total control of your team, you're in for a long cold stretch of football seasons hovering near the bottom of the league. Good luck.

So this is the end of Man-Kok?

Yay!! One down, one to go. You're on borrowed time, Mangina.

That damn Mangini just needs to find another profession.

The players hate Mangini. His GM didn't get along with him. Does the guy's mom like him, at least? Note to the coach: you don't have to be a total tool to be successful. In fact it helps if you're not one.

I thought these two were buds. Sound like a husband and wife (seldom seen talking).

QUOTE(#3):

Originally posted 06:27 AM ET  11.03 by JohnnySeoul

You're on borrowed time, Mangina.

Well it sounds like all the personnel mistakes were actually Manweenie's anyway, so what does this firing of a figurehead actually do other than buy the **** another couple weeks?

What Lerner should do is keep him until the end of this lost season, play Quinn the rest of the way to see if he develops at all before the draft and free agency (WTF does every playing Andersen for another down tell you?), and be in the locker-room and on the sidelines every day to get an idea of which players are handling the bad coaching like men, and which are using it as an excuse to not play hard.

Until there is a credible GM in place with authority to tell the coach to shove it, Lerner must play that role. Why would any owner give a bum like Manweenie personnel power when he has never proven anything as just a coach first? Idiotic. At least Belichick and Parcells had success before they demanded that level of control.

Move to Afghanistan, George. Get a job managing the Taliban. End the war in six months.

Less than 24 hours after Browns owner Randy Lerner pledged to add a new "credible, serious leader" to reorganize his football operations

Good luck with that, any team that keeps Mangenius on the payroll isn't credible or serious.

Lerner needs to take himself out of the hiring process.

Gotta find a scapegoat for their loses! lol! Good for Kokinis, don't have to worry about being on a losing organization and he can come back to my Ravens now.

QUOTE(#10):

Originally posted 07:21 AM ET  11.03 by pw

Lerner needs to take himself out of the hiring process.

absolutely. he IS the problem, he keeps making bad hires, check out all the coaches he has hired and then got rid of as soon as they hit a bump in the road....he makes j. jones look like he knows what he is doing..

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Originally posted 07:42 AM ET  11.03 by 50yearfan

he makes j. jones look like he knows what he is doing..

NOw that's saying something

NFL's worst owners Round Table

King - Al Davis
Queen - Randy Lerner
Jester - Dan Snyder

Mangini had a winning record in his last year as Jets manager, yet they fired him. Most owners would be worried about this, not in Cleveland, he was hired immediately.

I guess George wasn't pleased to learn that he wasn't considered a "credible, serious leader".

Well, like I said yesterday... The Browns did everything backwards by hiring the head coach first and the GM second. The question remains, what will ownership value more? Are they committed to sticking with the guy that they hand-picked or will they finally sign a G.M. and give him creative control to fix the team's many issues? If they do the latter, it would most certainly mean a new head coach because no GM wants to be saddled with a coach that isn't apart of their vision. If ownership decides to stick with Mangini and hand pick someone to get along with him, they are putting all of the control and power onto Mangini. The team will rise or fall with every decision he makes. I'm no genious, but everyone can see that he's already trying to do too much. He's not Bill Belicheck and he does need to delegate. The Browns should find a young executive with a positive upside and give him complete control to do whatever is apart of his vision.

QUOTE(#10):

Originally posted 07:21 AM ET  11.03 by pw

Lerner needs to take himself out of the hiring process.

True, but he'll need to hire someone to hire people. A vicious circle. Cleveland, maybe Lerner will sell the team- SOON.

QUOTE(#10):

Originally posted 07:21 AM ET  11.03 by pw

Lerner needs to take himself out of the hiring process.

Here here. At least the Browns look like they are trying to clean house. Now keep the owner out of the process.

You Fire mangini the man has no place in pro sports. Mangini is the most inept coach of all time. Fire Mangini NOw!!!!!