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07:28 AM ET 08.02 | The Phillies, with the addition of Roy Oswalt, may have begun to send the message they'll carry on in 2011 without Jayson Werth. Werth said Friday there was nothing new to report on stalled negotiations with the Phillies. ... He could fetch $15 million per season on the open market, where Tampa Bay's Carl Crawford and he are the most attractive outfield options. This season, Werth has better numbers. Ruben Amaro dodged a question about Werth when introducing Oswalt on Thursday. Interestingly enough, Amaro later mentioned recently promoted top prospect Domonic Brown as someone who must contribute in 2011. Ostensibly, he will replace Werth.

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August 2, 2010  08:03 AM ET

15 million for that slacker? Well bust my buttons.

August 2, 2010  08:19 AM ET

Cast your vote for the Year of Futility Award:

1) Baltimore Orioles 32 73
2) Seattle Mariners 39 67
3) Pittsburgh Pirates 36 68
4) Arizona Diamondbacks 39 66

August 2, 2010  08:21 AM ET

OOPS...meant to post this on the Seattle thread^^^

August 2, 2010  08:32 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Cast your vote for the Year of Futility Award:
1) Baltimore Orioles 32 73
2) Seattle Mariners 39 67
3) Pittsburgh Pirates 36 68
4) Arizona Diamondbacks 39 66

I vote for the seattle mariners only because we knew the orioles were terrible but ome even picked the mariners to win there respective division, Answer B

August 2, 2010  09:08 AM ET

Ill take Crawford any day of the week over Werth if I'm looking for an outfielder.

August 2, 2010  09:25 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Ill take Crawford any day of the week over Werth if I'm looking for an outfielder.

I think most people would, but Werth isn't chopped liver. Why do the Phils seem so anxious to get rid of him.

August 2, 2010  10:00 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

I think most people would, but Werth isn't chopped liver. Why do the Phils seem so anxious to get rid of him.

because they would rather start grooming Brown for RF now...or maybe they won't have the payroll flexibility to give him the money he'll be asking for in the offseason.

August 2, 2010  10:07 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

I think most people would, but Werth isn't chopped liver. Why do the Phils seem so anxious to get rid of him.

I agree. I'm not sure if its a money issue for the Phils or what but Werth is borderline superstar caliber OF'er. And if I remember correctly didn't Werth catch on fire during the post season recently?

August 2, 2010  10:30 AM ET

Now that the Phillies committed to Oswalt for the next year and a half, there simply isn't enough money to throw Werth's way, especially when there's a viable option like Brown breathing down his neck. What's strange is that Werth continues to say this season will not be the end of his time in Philly. Who knows what to make of that.

Whatever happens, it's stupid for the Phillies to continue sending these signals towards Werth, effectively saying they're done with him. Everyone saw how that effected him leading up to the deadline, and then watched him bust out of his slump once Victorino was hurt and his place on the team secure. Don't toy with him if you expect him to stay productive.

August 2, 2010  12:13 PM ET

I wouldn't say "years", unless Happ becomes a bona fide superstar. Those prospects aren't going to amount to much, and Amaro looked like a genius by getting the Astros to fork over $11 million and avoiding the guaranteed option.

August 2, 2010  12:18 PM ET
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I agree. I'm not sure if its a money issue for the Phils or what but Werth is borderline superstar caliber OF'er. And if I remember correctly didn't Werth catch on fire during the post season recently?

Borderline superstar? Really? Guy's going to be 32 and he's had the grand total of one, count 'em, really good season. He's nice, but he ain't no superstar, and he ain't worth 15 mil. I don't doubt he gets it, but the guy's a 270 career hitter who's topped 20 HR twice. On some teams he's a fourth outfielder, but the market is slim so go get'em, killer.

August 2, 2010  12:47 PM ET
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Borderline superstar? Really? Guy's going to be 32 and he's had the grand total of one, count 'em, really good season. He's nice, but he ain't no superstar, and he ain't worth 15 mil. I don't doubt he gets it, but the guy's a 270 career hitter who's topped 20 HR twice. On some teams he's a fourth outfielder, but the market is slim so go get'em, killer.

I dont claim him to be a superstar and agree he's not worth 15 mil honestly only a very very small group of players fit into that category for that matter. he IS a top OF in the league no question. And what team in the league would have him as 4th OF...... name two. And we're talkin real baseball here not fantasy league.

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August 2, 2010  01:25 PM ET
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.881 OPS+ over the last four years. What team do you think that's a fourth outfielder for?

Okay, Slink. You and Cheese please ignore that part of my comment. A 270 guy who as recently as three seasons ago couldn't crack the lineup, who hasnt driven in 100 rbi, hit 300 and only hit 20 hr's twice. That's a guy you spend 15 mil on? No. You don't overpay for run of the mill simply because the position is going through a soft phase. Show me a guy who hits 310 and drives in a buck-ten, buck-twenty a year and you might have a case. This fellow won't reach 1000 hits by the time he retires. That's no star.

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August 2, 2010  01:32 PM ET

the reason he is so valuable to the Phillies is because he offers right handed protection.
I like Werth, I am a fan of his, but not for 15mil. I would give him three year deal for 31 million.

Respectable and a thank you for playing. He will be 33 when the season starts. That will give him a nice payday and a chance to earn cash.

He maybe 32 but he is a young 32 having been a utility guy until 07-08. I would love to resign him, but not for 15 million. Pay him a little more than Shane, and keep him.

August 2, 2010  01:45 PM ET
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This fellow won't reach 1000 hits by the time he retires. That's no star.

We can argue the definition of star all day. the bottom line is this guy right now is among the best OF's in the game....period. soft phase at the position??? meaning there was stronger phase...when? oh that's right, when everyone was juicing it up! And please lets not begin to measure value of a player by his paycheck because we all know the correlation is not always accurate. yes, i would understand that the Phils may not want to pay this guy because of the stud OF prospect in waiting but Werth is every bit a legit all-star OF

August 2, 2010  01:52 PM ET
QUOTE(#18):

I can live with that. "superstar" he's not, but I think "4th outfielder" a little far in the other direction!

A modern Lee Mazzilli with facial hair? :)

 
August 2, 2010  03:18 PM ET

I'd be concerned that Werth is a product of the bandbox he plays in, especially since he sucked before he got there. I think he'd be a risky multi year signing.

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