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'Alarmists' can start worry machine on Papelpon again

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08:17 AM ET 08.13 | Saying he "didn't have much power or energy" in his delivery during a blown save Thursday, Jonathan Papelbon wound up blowing his sixth save of 2010. That made for a long plane ride to Texas, the place where manager Terry Francona made the decisive move in 2006 to replace his closer, Keith Foulke, with a promising kid named Papelbon. The alarmists, whose faith in Papelbon may have been forever shattered by his Game 3 meltdown against the Los Angeles Angels in the playoffs last October, are grumbling that Francona should contemplate a similar move now, with Papelbon playing the fall guy giving way to Daniel Bard.

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August 13, 2010  08:19 AM ET

6 blown saves....6 games out of first....hmmmmm

August 13, 2010  08:32 AM ET

the 6.25 mil for 1 yr seemed to be the right move by Theo. bounce Pap for next season and give Bard a shot......who seems more than ready.

August 13, 2010  08:50 AM ET

Mo is God...let us pray...

August 13, 2010  08:52 AM ET

He's a pretty arrogant closer to have blown so many 3 run saves

August 13, 2010  08:59 AM ET
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i think its another case where boston is starting up the character assassination campaig for a player that has done very well for them. papelbon may be the world's biggest ****, but if you take him out of the equation i would think the sox don't win in 2007 and miss the playoffs a few other years. the guy is still effective. but they will run him out of town like they have others in the past

you could be right but pro sports now more than ever has turned into 'what have you done for me lately' not what you did for us in 07' Pap was lights out no doubt i just think despite the huge payrolls from the big dogs teams are trying to be more cost effective.

all teams cannot be as lucky to have a Mo in their bullpen who has been pretty much automatic for so many years

August 13, 2010  09:15 AM ET
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i think its another case where boston is starting up the character assassination campaig for a player that has done very well for them. papelbon may be the world's biggest ****, but if you take him out of the equation i would think the sox don't win in 2007 and miss the playoffs a few other years. the guy is still effective. but they will run him out of town like they have others in the past

Nobody's trying to run Pappelbon out of town. they offered him a very fair extension just around 18 months ago, when they did the same for Youk, Lester and Pedroia. He wanted to take the gamble that he would be worth more money in Free Agency after 2011. I"ll bet he's wishing he accecpted that offer now.

August 13, 2010  09:28 AM ET
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papelbon has done quite a bit for the sox....that's what I don't get. they are looking at a few games instead of the bigger pitcher...sure, he's not pitching as well as he did a few yrs ago but he is still a very effective closer in the league.

Yes, he has. But ever since the end of the 2007 season, he has been on this slow decline where every year his stats seem to reach a new career worst. He has one pitch that he throws for strikes and it's obvious that he has no confidence in his splitter, so now EVERY player in the majors knows just to sit dead red fastball because there's no way he paints the corner with his fastball or throws any kind of off speed stuff that looks enticing. He BeLOWS. Send him to the Phillies. They need a closer

August 13, 2010  09:38 AM ET
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sure they are..fans have been on him ever since last season...well before the playoff meltdown.

of course the fans are on him.........if you don't do the job you are paid very well to do they will let you hear it. if you don't want the pressure, then go pitch for the Marlins in front of 5,000 people every night. of course you won't make the money you want, but it will be eaiser it you fail.

August 13, 2010  09:42 AM ET
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he still gets the job done a lot more often than he blows it. still a top 5 closer in the league if you ask me.

Dums, he leads the league in blown saves...............

August 13, 2010  09:43 AM ET
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but that is where it starts...with the fans and the media...and then it makes it into the FO...

when the front office starts listening to the fans and media............you're all done.

August 13, 2010  09:48 AM ET
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He has nothing left to prove, and how many rings does a man need

He wants 10 just like Yogi.

August 13, 2010  09:53 AM ET
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Nobody's trying to run Pappelbon out of town. they offered him a very fair extension just around 18 months ago, when they did the same for Youk, Lester and Pedroia. He wanted to take the gamble that he would be worth more money in Free Agency after 2011. I"ll bet he's wishing he accecpted that offer now.

Exactly. Do they have to roll out the red carpet to all these pre madonas?

August 13, 2010  09:58 AM ET
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i think that demoting papelbon would be the equivalent of de-balling him.

Mike Lowell??????

August 13, 2010  10:01 AM ET
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so...someone else brought up lidge...papelbon's era is not 8. so...he blows some but is getting the job done in other instances...probably 75%-80% of the time. go ahead..trot Bard out there...see what happens. but i don't think now is the time to make any changes like that unless they decide to give up on the season. you drop papelbon and he'll be worthless

75%-80% of the time, is not good enough for a elite closer. Francona needs to pick his spots better as on how to use him also. There was no need to bring Pappelbon in yesterday. Lackey had that game under control. So what if he gave up a home run leading off the 9th, he had only thrown 98 pitches. Let him finish the game.

August 13, 2010  10:02 AM ET
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you HAD to go there

sorry, couldn't resist..........

August 13, 2010  10:03 AM ET
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Nobody's trying to run Pappelbon out of town. they offered him a very fair extension just around 18 months ago, when they did the same for Youk, Lester and Pedroia. He wanted to take the gamble that he would be worth more money in Free Agency after 2011. I"ll bet he's wishing he accecpted that offer now.

I am betting he gets more on the open market than Boston is willing to pay.

August 13, 2010  10:06 AM ET
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I am betting he gets more on the open market than Boston is willing to pay.

Most teams dont break the bank for closers

August 13, 2010  10:08 AM ET
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I am betting he gets more on the open market than Boston is willing to pay.

right now, he wouldn't get what he's already turned down............

August 13, 2010  10:08 AM ET
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75%-80% of the time, is not good enough for a elite closer. Francona needs to pick his spots better as on how to use him also. There was no need to bring Pappelbon in yesterday. Lackey had that game under control. So what if he gave up a home run leading off the 9th, he had only thrown 98 pitches. Let him finish the game.

what other spot do you use him for? pap is getting paid as an elite closer. if francona cannot count on him to come in and slam the door in save situation then they need to find someone else....period. that very situation is why you have an elite closer.

oooppps my bad i guess that confirms he's not elite anymore

 
August 13, 2010  10:09 AM ET
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he still gets the job done a lot more often than he blows it. still a top 5 closer in the league if you ask me.

There in is the crux of the problem, he isn't Mo. Boston fan got Mo envy, well maybe not envy. anything compared to Mo...is ordinary, most closers. He is still performing at a high level, Paps. When Mo blew the game against Cleveland in 97' he came back strong, perhaps Boston fans are right in seeing some decline. I think it is too early to give up on Paps, a man with pretty good history of getting the job done at a high level.
That said, Paps is perhaps the best closer I have seen in Boston in many years, sure, get rid of him.

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