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08:21 AM ET 10.27 | Yes, Cliff Lee watched, and he did so with a mix of emotions as the Giants defeated his former teammates in the NLCS. "I pulled for those guys individually," he said. "But I didn't mind seeing them get beat, either. Just because they got rid of me. That is what it is." On the brink of his second consecutive Game 1 start of the World Series, baseball's most lethal hired gun caught the media by surprise with his comments [Tuesday], maybe caught himself by surprise a little, too. Alarm crossed his face as his response took a left turn from "mixed emotions" to very pointed ones about his half-season in Philadelphia.

Philadelphia Daily News

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October 27, 2010  08:47 AM ET

its good that he feels that way as a mets fan i share that same emotion

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October 27, 2010  09:29 AM ET

Just do your thing tonight Cliff.

October 27, 2010  09:32 AM ET

Go Rangers !!! ... that way everyone will ignore this steaming pile of crap I put together as a football team for the next week or so.

October 27, 2010  09:38 AM ET

To any team thinking that Cliff is just a gun for hire, take note. This is what I've tried to articulate to many who think more money alone will make someone want to rush to cash in just for an incrementally better paycheck. Econ 101 teaches us that there are many forms of remuneration, and it ain't all cash.

Loyalty comes into play for some workers - myself included. I'll forego some coin if it means my employer wants to do something great with me over a reasonable period of time. Hiring and firing at the whim of impatient management and fickle customers (a.k.a. fans) won't endear you to this type of player. Some people actually enjoy what they're doing.

If anyone had listened to Lee when he was unceremoniously traded to Seattle after winning the Phillies their only World Series games, they'd have figured that out by now.

October 27, 2010  09:46 AM ET
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To any team thinking that Cliff is just a gun for hire, take note. This is what I've tried to articulate to many who think more money alone will make someone want to rush to cash in just for an incrementally better paycheck. Econ 101 teaches us that there are many forms of remuneration, and it ain't all cash.Loyalty comes into play for some workers - myself included. I'll forego some coin if it means my employer wants to do something great with me over a reasonable period of time. Hiring and firing at the whim of impatient management and fickle customers (a.k.a. fans) won't endear you to this type of player. Some people actually enjoy what they're doing.If anyone had listened to Lee when he was unceremoniously traded to Seattle after winning the Phillies their only World Series games, they'd have figured that out by now.

So your saying that if the Yankees end up offering Lee $50 Million more than the 2nd highest bidder, that he won't be influenced by that??

October 27, 2010  09:59 AM ET
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So your saying that if the Yankees end up offering Lee $50 Million more than the 2nd highest bidder, that he won't be influenced by that??

Read up on Econ 101, and the many forms of (non-cash) remuneration. For example people will live and work in Charlottesville, Virginia - including many Hollywood actors - because of the bucolic environment. Wages are low there because folks want to live next to Eden (the place where Jefferson built Monticello) and in a University town. New York City? Bucolic it is not.

Shopping for Mrs. Lee? Folks trumping that argument should listen to her comments about Yankee fans. She's a southern belle, and not a New Yorker.

Look up The Law of Diminishing Returns.

And besides... The Yankees already tried to get Lee dishonestly in the mid-season (with a player who flunked his physical), and got called on it by Seattle. That's why he's in Texas now. Talk is cheap. Apparently so were the Yankees. There is a recession in play after all, and I don't see those Yankee stadium seats filling up. Last I checked, Obambi was rescuing Wall Street.

October 27, 2010  10:18 AM ET

Got rid of him for a guy who would sign with them...his fault.

October 27, 2010  10:20 AM ET

"But I didn't mind seeing them get beat, either. Just because they got rid of me. That is what it is."


This is great for all the Phillies fans that think they still have a chance to re sign Lee.

October 27, 2010  10:21 AM ET
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Go Rangers !!! ... that way everyone will ignore this steaming pile of crap I put together as a football team for the next week or so.

You are already irrelevant until draft day dude.

October 27, 2010  10:33 AM ET
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Read up on Econ 101, and the many forms of (non-cash) remuneration. For example people will live and work in Charlottesville, Virginia - including many Hollywood actors - because of the bucolic environment. Wages are low there because folks want to live next to Eden (the place where Jefferson built Monticello) and in a University town. New York City? Bucolic it is not. Shopping for Mrs. Lee? Folks trumping that argument should listen to her comments about Yankee fans. She's a southern belle, and not a New Yorker.Look up The Law of Diminishing Returns.And besides... The Yankees already tried to get Lee dishonestly in the mid-season (with a player who flunked his physical), and got called on it by Seattle. That's why he's in Texas now. Talk is cheap. Apparently so were the Yankees. There is a recession in play after all, and I don't see those Yankee stadium seats filling up. Last I checked, Obambi was rescuing Wall Street.

Uh, hate to bust your bubble there, but Lee already came out and said the incident in Yankee stadium will not influence his decision. That tells me that he is reall just going to jack up the money as high as it can go, as is also evidenced by his refusal to sign anywhere he has been in the last year or so.
He would not have done this if he were interested in non-monetary renymeration...what?

Uh no. keep that pipe dream, but he is going for the money. Texas will have to pay if they want him. stick to that.

October 27, 2010  10:33 AM ET
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Got rid of him for a guy who would sign with them...his fault.

Exactly! It is business. Lee can be slighted, that is his right, but the Phillies did what they did because that was their BEST choice.

October 27, 2010  10:39 AM ET
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Read up on Econ 101, and the many forms of (non-cash) remuneration. For example people will live and work in Charlottesville, Virginia - including many Hollywood actors - because of the bucolic environment. Wages are low there because folks want to live next to Eden (the place where Jefferson built Monticello) and in a University town. New York City? Bucolic it is not. Shopping for Mrs. Lee? Folks trumping that argument should listen to her comments about Yankee fans. She's a southern belle, and not a New Yorker.Look up The Law of Diminishing Returns.And besides... The Yankees already tried to get Lee dishonestly in the mid-season (with a player who flunked his physical), and got called on it by Seattle. That's why he's in Texas now. Talk is cheap. Apparently so were the Yankees. There is a recession in play after all, and I don't see those Yankee stadium seats filling up. Last I checked, Obambi was rescuing Wall Street.

Don't act like you have sat around the dinner table with the Lee family and pretend to know what they want. The wife may not want to live in the city, but she wouldn't have to. Do you think all the pro athletes who play for NY teams actually live in the manhattan. Some do, but many do not. They live in northern NJ which has some of the nicest ares in the country, horse country side, etc. Westchester County NY also has some of the nicest areas. Also, not sure if you are aware, but many reporters have mentioned that CC and Cliff are very close friends from their time with the Indians. Also, Cliff's wife and CC's wife are also very close and when the trade with NY was about to happen the two wife's were already planning out where the Lee family should live in the NYC metro area. Aside from Econ 101, a very important component to consider.... Happy Wife = Happy Life. Mrs. Lee will have a major influence on where Cliff signs, perhaps that Yankees fans poor behavior will have an effect on her views, but perhaps not. Time will tell.

October 27, 2010  11:07 AM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Read up on Econ 101, and the many forms of (non-cash) remuneration. For example people will live and work in Charlottesville, Virginia - including many Hollywood actors - because of the bucolic environment. Wages are low there because folks want to live next to Eden (the place where Jefferson built Monticello) and in a University town. New York City? Bucolic it is not. Shopping for Mrs. Lee? Folks trumping that argument should listen to her comments about Yankee fans. She's a southern belle, and not a New Yorker.Look up The Law of Diminishing Returns.And besides... The Yankees already tried to get Lee dishonestly in the mid-season (with a player who flunked his physical), and got called on it by Seattle. That's why he's in Texas now. Talk is cheap. Apparently so were the Yankees. There is a recession in play after all, and I don't see those Yankee stadium seats filling up. Last I checked, Obambi was rescuing Wall Street.

But what econ doesn't teach you is mind reading! If Cliff Lee is motivated by money then nothing you can say or do other than paying him will land him. If he is a recognition seeker then he will probably go to where he will be the #1 starter (Texas).
It all depends on what is best for him and his family, I truly believe that its going to come down to the Yankees and Rangers. If the Rangers win the WS and they can match the Yankees offer its pretty much a no brainer.
This will most likely be the last contract he signs so its going to be whats best for him and his family and this is why I believe the highest bidder gets him. Its not like the city he signs in is going to be labled his home after he retires, he will use them for the money and go back HOME.

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October 27, 2010  11:43 AM ET
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He just loves to talk about what he learned in "econ 101." He rarely knows what he's talking about.

Low blow, Slinky:(

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