Fleury's confidence shaken after .853 SP

Hard to have a lot of confidence with those numbers. The only thing you can do is play through this period but that's hard to do when Johnson is as hot as he is. A dilemma for the Burgh for sure. I would play Johnson until, and if, he hits a cold spot.

Fleury will bounce back - he just needs to get a couple of wins back under his belt.

Agree with Slapper - Johnson is hot, and the Pens will have to ride the hot hand for the time being.

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Originally posted 08:44 AM ET  11.09 by BrownsBucksBlueJackets

Fleury will bounce back - he just needs to get a couple of wins back under his belt.Agree with Slapper - Johnson is hot, and the Pens will have to ride the hot hand for the time being.

There's a lot of talk in the Burgh.

I think the definite consensus IS to play Johnson until that runs its course.

However, Sid spoke on this recently, and I admire him for being so vocal about it. He said that Fleury can't gain any confidence unless he is played for a few games in a row. He has stated his confidence in Fleury is still strong, and SID would like to see Fleury played back-to-back games (three or four in a row). I think that took some guts considering it is the opposite of Bylsma's position, and pretty much all of the fans. ;)

I personally believe or predict that Johnson will be played until something happens where Fleury will be called upon to "step up" and be the hero once more, and he won't let us down.

Fleury has lost his confidence. The Penguins need to get rid of him now and get another goalie.

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Originally posted 08:44 AM ET  11.09 by BrownsBucksBlueJackets

Agree with Slapper - Johnson is hot, and the Pens will have to ride the hot hand for the time being.

Really BBBJ? A hot Johnson?

Bylsma's rotation of goalies probaly isn't helping Fleury at all, but when the rest of the team is pretty much underpreforming, you gotta play the better goalie.

Can't really trade him, who would take a $5mil cap hit for a goalie that can't win a game, and then your down to a solid back goalie as your starter. Who you gonna replace him with?

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Originally posted 09:58 AM ET  11.09 by Canuck eh?

Really BBBJ? A hot Johnson?

Better call the Mrs...

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Originally posted 09:58 AM ET  11.09 by Canuck eh?

Really BBBJ? A hot Johnson?

Smirk.

I also chuckle every time I hear them say "NY Jets owner Woody Johnson..."

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Originally posted 09:37 AM ET  11.09 by bluesuiter

Fleury has lost his confidence. The Penguins need to get rid of him now and get another goalie.

Maybe a stint with Scranton-Wilkes Barre can right the ship.

Gilles Meloche as goalie coach...interesting.

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Originally posted 10:10 AM ET  11.09 by hbomb

Maybe a stint with Scranton-Wilkes Barre can right the ship.

No way that is going to happen. Wilkes-Barre are playing great right now. They aren't sending him there!!!

People need to STOP with this "trade Fleury, send Fleury down" crap. This is the same goalie that won us a Cup two seasons ago. He may even need a SEASON to work out his confidence issues if it means ten of greatness, but so be it. Goalies don't hit their peak til late 20s/early 30s. I am willing to wait it out to see what happens. As someone else said, it isn't like the rest of the team is playing to THEIR full potential.

1. Flower can't be waived, he has a limited no-movement clause, so he can't be traded to a team he doesn't want to.
2. If he WAS waived he would never clear waivers.
3. The people in Pittsburgh screaming for his head are the same people that don't pay attention to hockey until the Steelers season is over.
4. The team's defensive play in front of him vs, Johnson has been complete garbage, to the point where only Sid is playing well in the defensive zone.
5. In general the discipline the team possessed is evaporating.

I will say however, that he never looked the same after riding the bench for the Olympics. If anything I think that is what started this.

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Originally posted 09:58 AM ET  11.09 by Canuck eh?

Really BBBJ? A hot Johnson?

I didn't even mention Johnson's "hot hand" :)

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Originally posted 09:05 AM ET  11.09 by PensFanDealWithIt

I personally believe or predict that Johnson will be played until something happens where Fleury will be called upon to "step up" and be the hero once more, and he won't let us down.

He has had his ups and downs in seasons past, but I seem to recall something about him being a Cup winner...
He is in a mini-slump and you are right maybe he just needs that "hero" game, and it all turns around.
Good to see the Captain speaking up for him

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Originally posted 10:39 AM ET  11.09 by Stillers-Pens-Bucs-Pitt

1. Flower can't be waived, he has a limited no-movement clause, so he can't be traded to a team he doesn't want to. 2. If he WAS waived he would never clear waivers.3. The people in Pittsburgh screaming for his head are the same people that don't pay attention to hockey until the Steelers season is over.4. The team's defensive play in front of him vs, Johnson has been complete garbage, to the point where only Sid is playing well in the defensive zone. 5. In general the discipline the team possessed is evaporating.I will say however, that he never looked the same after riding the bench for the Olympics. If anything I think that is what started this.

all 5 points are correct, IMO.

Your last note about the Olympics is interesting - did Fleury think he would go in as the starter?

QUOTE(#13):

Originally posted 10:39 AM ET  11.09 by Stillers-Pens-Bucs-Pitt

1. Flower can't be waived, he has a limited no-movement clause, so he can't be traded to a team he doesn't want to. 2. If he WAS waived he would never clear waivers.3. The people in Pittsburgh screaming for his head are the same people that don't pay attention to hockey until the Steelers season is over.4. The team's defensive play in front of him vs, Johnson has been complete garbage, to the point where only Sid is playing well in the defensive zone. 5. In general the discipline the team possessed is evaporating.I will say however, that he never looked the same after riding the bench for the Olympics. If anything I think that is what started this.

All great points. Bravo!

Some of these "hockey fans" whom you mentioned that start watching mid-January wouldn't know their hockey from their applebags.

I never considered the Olympics being an issue, but you could be right.

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Originally posted 10:45 AM ET  11.09 by BrownsBucksBlueJackets

all 5 points are correct, IMO.Your last note about the Olympics is interesting - did Fleury think he would go in as the starter?

There was significant talk of the goalies being Broduer, Fleury, Luongo. When Broduer got pulled many people thought playing Luongo was pandering to the home Vancouver crowd. Especially with at that point Flower having stepped up when the pressure was on. Someone actually did his starts pre and post Olympics and there was a drop off.

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Originally posted 09:05 AM ET  11.09 by PensFanDealWithIt

There's a lot of talk in the Burgh.I think the definite consensus IS to play Johnson until that runs its course.However, Sid spoke on this recently, and I admire him for being so vocal about it. He said that Fleury can't gain any confidence unless he is played for a few games in a row. He has stated his confidence in Fleury is still strong, and SID would like to see Fleury played back-to-back games (three or four in a row). I think that took some guts considering it is the opposite of Bylsma's position, and pretty much all of the fans. ;) I personally believe or predict that Johnson will be played until something happens where Fleury will be called upon to "step up" and be the hero once more, and he won't let us down.

I sure hope you're right. Every time he's been called upon this season, he lets in a softie 5 minutes in.

You run with the hot gun. I remember Ozzie replacing the 'Dominator' in the finals and won the Cup. But I also remember Pens fans complaining about him when Fleury was winning, maybe he's just tired of them as well.

On top of that, Shero went out and significantly improved the Pens defensive core, and the team replies by not playing any defense in their own zone. The PP is garbage.

And finally, I think Flower is on a short leash because it shows the faults in Disco's system. At this point the head coach is on the line as he came in and won with another man's team. Bylsma has won the same number of playoff games as Bowman and no Pens coach has ever lasted more than 3 seasons.