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08:11 AM ET 12.10 | Nolan Ryan took an unusual step for Cliff Lee. The last time the Texas Rangers saw agent Darek Braunecker, they asked him precisely what it's going to take to bring pitcher Cliff Lee back to Arlington in 2011. After giving the matter careful consideration, Braunecker determined that it's not his responsibility to tell the Rangers how to spend their money. So he will wait for the club to make its best offer -- and then let Lee and his wife, Kristen, decide if it works for them. "We have no interest in participating in the unconventional negotiating style the club has requested," Braunecker told ESPN.com early Thursday morning. "For the player to submit an offer to the club ... that's not the way the process works."

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December 10, 2010  08:23 AM ET

Lee had better send Epstein a holiday card and a really nice fruit basket. First, for the 7 year offer to throw back at the Yankees, then for signing Crawford and putting the Yankees into a corner.

New York can't let Boston have a better off-season, right?

December 10, 2010  08:26 AM ET

I hear the Pirates have a 8 year $45,000 contract offer on the table

December 10, 2010  08:54 AM ET

> "We have no interest in participating in the
> unconventional negotiating style the club
> has requested," Braunecker told ESPN.com
> early Thursday morning.

You are angry that Nolan Ryan isn't participating in the process of bidding against himself. Got it!

Next story!

December 10, 2010  09:02 AM ET

Stupid Agent. The team is trying to make an offer that you are asking for, and your declining.

December 10, 2010  09:07 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

> "We have no interest in participating in the> unconventional negotiating style the club> has requested," Braunecker told ESPN.com> early Thursday morning.You are angry that Nolan Ryan isn't participating in the process of bidding against himself. Got it!Next story!

I agree...I think this bidding thing has gotten way out of hand....Nolan is being up front and a man about it and as usual a players agent is trying to "negotiate" against no one except themselves....

Im sorry Lee has been pretty good over the past two years but he is worth 25 million a year for 7 years? Id prob say no!!....I wish when agents say "Will look at my agents stats over the last 3 years" a GM would say "Ok impressive but lets look at his stats for the 5 years of his before those 3!!!"

December 10, 2010  09:10 AM ET

No .. the rangers are being the Rangers. They THINK they can compete with the YAnks ... but in reality ... they cant. The yankees have the ability to outbid anyone for any player. As a matter of fact since the Sox got Crawford and Gonzales they have put enough pressure on the YAnks that they now MUST have Cliff Lee. And if that true then they are willing to do whatever it takes .... 7, 8, 9 , 10 years .... whatever. You would think a guy like Nolan Ryan would man up and make his best offer ... but no ... he pulls this weak sauce.

December 10, 2010  09:17 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

No .. the rangers are being the Rangers. They THINK they can compete with the YAnks ... but in reality ... they cant. The yankees have the ability to outbid anyone for any player. As a matter of fact since the Sox got Crawford and Gonzales they have put enough pressure on the YAnks that they now MUST have Cliff Lee. And if that true then they are willing to do whatever it takes .... 7, 8, 9 , 10 years .... whatever. You would think a guy like Nolan Ryan would man up and make his best offer ... but no ... he pulls this weak sauce.

How is it weak? Asking a man face to face what it will take to get him here? I dont get that....Im sorry but Lee isnt worth 150-160 million over 7 years or whatever contract the Yanks are going to give him...So in 2-3 years when his back goes out and they have him on the **** for another 4-5 seasons at 25 million a season ill be thanking God Nolan handled it like he did.....Granted I want a winner in Texas just as much as the next guy but you have to build for a winner not just go buy all the parts....

December 10, 2010  09:20 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

No .. the rangers are being the Rangers. They THINK they can compete with the YAnks ... but in reality ... they cant. The yankees have the ability to outbid anyone for any player. As a matter of fact since the Sox got Crawford and Gonzales they have put enough pressure on the YAnks that they now MUST have Cliff Lee. And if that true then they are willing to do whatever it takes .... 7, 8, 9 , 10 years .... whatever. You would think a guy like Nolan Ryan would man up and make his best offer ... but no ... he pulls this weak sauce.

Here's the thing though. Whatever your best offer is, the Yanks will just pay more, so you have to get a little creative in the offer you make.

If you offer 7 years at a total of $165,000,000 the Yanks will simply offer 7 years at $175,000,000. Ryan knows this, he's been around too long not to. So he is trying something out of the ordinary. I don't have a problem with it, though it probably won't work.

December 10, 2010  09:20 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Stupid Agent. The team is trying to make an offer that you are asking for, and your declining.

This is Negotiating 101. Why give the team a number when the team might actually offer a number bigger than you want? If the team offers a lower number, you say "no, try again". If the agent did anything else, he is incompetent.

December 10, 2010  09:24 AM ET

Reality is the Yankees offer him seven years, hope for five strong ones and win three WS in that time frame and it is worth it. Go Yankees!!!!!

December 10, 2010  09:24 AM ET

One has to wonder if this is going to turn into another A-Rod negotiation where the Yanks, in the end, were simply bidding against themselves.

Everyone knows that the Red Sox 7 year offer was to tweak the Yankees and probably was around 130-140 million, a lot less than what they know the final amount needed to make the signing is. I'm not sure how "real" the Rangers offer is.

Back in '07, A-Rod got $300,000,000 out of the Yankees but in the end, the Yankees probably could have gotten it done for a lot less but they ended up bidding against themselves.

December 10, 2010  09:27 AM ET
QUOTE(#14):

One has to wonder if this is going to turn into another A-Rod negotiation where the Yanks, in the end, were simply bidding against themselves.Everyone knows that the Red Sox 7 year offer was to tweak the Yankees and probably was around 130-140 million, a lot less than what they know the final amount needed to make the signing is. I'm not sure how "real" the Rangers offer is.Back in '07, A-Rod got $300,000,000 out of the Yankees but in the end, the Yankees probably could have gotten it done for a lot less but they ended up bidding against themselves.

Exactly. Which is why the agent will never make an offer, unless he feels like the bidding has totally stalled. Let the teams keep hearing the media updates, half of which were leaked by the agent, and continue bidding.

December 10, 2010  09:30 AM ET

Another player that's going to look like a greedy ****. If they guy like it in TX, why does he need another $2m/year...is he Latrel Spreewell in that he can't feed his kids on the first $20m/year?

First order of business should be upgrading at the wife position for Mr. Lee...she's nowhere near worth $10-$13m/season when she walks out on him.

December 10, 2010  09:30 AM ET

Yawn. Lee. Sign!

December 10, 2010  09:34 AM ET
QUOTE(#14):

One has to wonder if this is going to turn into another A-Rod negotiation where the Yanks, in the end, were simply bidding against themselves.Everyone knows that the Red Sox 7 year offer was to tweak the Yankees and probably was around 130-140 million, a lot less than what they know the final amount needed to make the signing is. I'm not sure how "real" the Rangers offer is.Back in '07, A-Rod got $300,000,000 out of the Yankees but in the end, the Yankees probably could have gotten it done for a lot less but they ended up bidding against themselves.

I think that is what is happening....I mean Tx has already come out and said they would go no longer than 5 years and MAYBE a 6th year but there is no way they go 7....I dont blame them at all for looking at their team and thinking:

"well Cruz, Elvis, Feliz, Holland, Hamilton, and Lewis are all going to need new contracts in the next 2 -3 seasons....So we could spend all our money now on Lee and only sign one of two of these guys or we can save that money and start doling it out to these young up and comers..."

December 10, 2010  09:34 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

I agree...I think this bidding thing has gotten way out of hand....Nolan is being up front and a man about it and as usual a players agent is trying to "negotiate" against no one except themselves....Im sorry Lee has been pretty good over the past two years but he is worth 25 million a year for 7 years? Id prob say no!!....I wish when agents say "Will look at my agents stats over the last 3 years" a GM would say "Ok impressive but lets look at his stats for the 5 years of his before those 3!!!"

Interesting point...

... also important to look at his age and the additional wear and tear to his arm.

A risky investment for 7 years.

December 10, 2010  09:35 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

Another player that's going to look like a greedy ****. If they guy like it in TX, why does he need another $2m/year...is he Latrel Spreewell in that he can't feed his kids on the first $20m/year?First order of business should be upgrading at the wife position for Mr. Lee...she's nowhere near worth $10-$13m/season when she walks out on him.

There is no need to upgrade the wife. Keep her & have a rotating stable of girlfriends. Just don't text them or leave voicemails. Tiger provided a valuable service in educating us all on how NOT to carry on multiple affairs.

December 10, 2010  09:37 AM ET
QUOTE(#10):

How is it weak? Asking a man face to face what it will take to get him here? I dont get that....Im sorry but Lee isnt worth 150-160 million over 7 years or whatever contract the Yanks are going to give him...So in 2-3 years when his back goes out and they have him on the **** for another 4-5 seasons at 25 million a season ill be thanking God Nolan handled it like he did.....Granted I want a winner in Texas just as much as the next guy but you have to build for a winner not just go buy all the parts....

... and what is all the spending going to guarantee? Not a thing.

If the goal is being competitive, the Yankees have accomplished that over the last dozen years.

In regards to titles, they have not been noticeably more successful than Boston or Florida.

It comes down to making sound business decisions, not just shelling out money for big name free agents.

December 10, 2010  09:38 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Reality is the Yankees offer him seven years, hope for five strong ones and win three WS in that time frame and it is worth it. Go Yankees!!!!!

What if they only win 1 WS...

... or, none?

 
December 10, 2010  09:40 AM ET

The playoff invincibility of Lee has been debunked. Rangers are probably good enough to make the playoffs without Lee.
With the recent Boston signings Yanks are desperate enough to go overboard. Let them.

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