You don't have to believe in Jamie Moyer

Nice to know. Now where is the article?

We old fahts hope you make it, Jamie.

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Whew. That's a relief. I thought I had to believe in him.

Nope, it is all in the handout...belief is optional.

I believe. I believe that he could pitch for anyone that finds an 80 mph fastball and an ERA in the high 5's acceptable.

If he doesn't make it back, he could always go the John Franco route (who also thought he'd make it back)...

Pro's vs. Joe's :-)

I remember seeing Jamie Moyer for the first time when he was with the Chicago Cubs back in the 1980's. At the time, I was not at all impressed with his stuff. I wasn't sure he would last very long in MLB, and I certainly NEVER dreamed he would be pitching at the major league level for 2 more decades. I attended a Phillies game last spring and I still thought his stuff was terrible. When he was injured this summer I really thought his career was finally OVER. And maybe it finally is. But I certainly agree that it is up to Moyer himself - not us fans - to decide whether and when to RETIRE. No one has a bigger heart than this man and he deserves our respect for being a great competitor and a true sportsman. Whatever happens, I wish him well.

He could still be an effective lefty-specialist, with his 78-79 mph fastball and change up.
If he makes 70 - 72 apps, 35-36 inn, and has ERA of below 4.00, I believe that should be counted as a success.

I won't bet against a guy that can jam a big-leaguer with 83 mph fast ball.

I love jamie Moyer, which is why I don't want to see him pitch any more. Sounds like Brett Favre pathology to me.

The complaints about Jamie's stuff is irrelevant, as that was never his strength and never his way to get guys out. He is, in the kindest manner possible, a junk ball pitcher. With this in mind, Jamie pitched more effectively in 2010 than he had in his career barring some of his best seasons as a Mariner. Moyer's statistics in 2010 took a beating because of his godawful start against the Red Sox, and so I consider them fairly misleading. Taking away that game doesn't leave you with Cy Young-worthy numbers, but it does show a solid, reliable 5th starter.

People seem to be turning against Jamie Moyer a little bit in the wake of Brett Favre, but the comparison doesn't extend beyond the fact that a lot of people think they should just call it a day. Moyer hasn't turned into a media hound, beyond granting interviews to those that request them, and he hasn't turned each off-season into a "Will I, won't I" when it comes to retirement. The guy just wants to pitch, and if that's the most offensive thing he ever does, I'd say he's lived a pretty great life. Also, there's something to be said for the guy being willing to work and earn his spot, rather than pulling a Favre and expecting things given to him and showing up when he feels like it.

So I hope Moyer comes back, and I hope he continues defying the odds. He's a great story.

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he's not effective and really hasnt' been for awhile. he should keep his old balls at home.

Oh? On May 7, 2010, Moyer pitched a complete-game, two-hit shutout; he faced just 28 batters. (A MLB record as the oldest player to pitch a complete-game shutout.)

If that's "not effective," how many MLB pitchers have never done that in their entire careers?

Give me a break.

(Having said that, yes, he faces LONG odds, but he's one of the classiest players in the game (on and off the field) and if anyone can pull it off, Moyer can. More power to him!)

If your only pitch is a change up, then it's not really much of a change up is it? It's really more like about 420 over left center...

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Originally posted 07:16 PM ET  12.27 by SouthamptonMikey

Oh? On May 7, 2010, Moyer pitched a complete-game, two-hit shutout; he faced just 28 batters. (A MLB record as the oldest player to pitch a complete-game shutout.) If that's "not effective," how many MLB pitchers have never done that in their entire careers?Give me a break.(Having said that, yes, he faces LONG odds, but he's one of the classiest players in the game (on and off the field) and if anyone can pull it off, Moyer can. More power to him!)

Mikey...How is 18954 treating you?

Moyer is too legit to quit. I hope he makes it back and wins game 7 in the World Series..

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Originally posted 07:44 PM ET  12.27 by Steve Greek

Mikey...How is 18954 treating you?

Terrific, except for the snow. When does spring training start?

Moyer is much like Favre-- if the sillies are stupid enough to sign him (they have stupid capacity) then next year moyer will feel like he made a BIG mistake!! He had a bad year in 2010-- a little slower--- a little dumber....

With Old Man Moyer pitching at that age - post Tommy John...I'd love to bat against him.

I feel I'm entitled to make my own decision.

i think the hitters make that decision for you, Jamie.

He'll probably get his old 80 mph fastball back now.

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Originally posted 06:50 AM ET  12.28 by BushIsRight

Moyer is much like Favre-- if the sillies are stupid enough to sign him (they have stupid capacity) then next year moyer will feel like he made a BIG mistake!! He had a bad year in 2010-- a little slower--- a little dumber....

I'm thrilled that you've followed the situation enough to be totally unaware of the fact that he won't be pitching until 2012. And your analysis of his 2010 season leaves me extremely curious just how many starts of his you watched. Or did you just load up on "He's old and doesn't throw hard" jokes and feel that was sufficient?