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08:26 AM ET 02.16 | According to a report, any or all of the players at Iowa who were hospitalized last month could play somewhere else in 2011. A leading compliance authority says it's a "coin flip" under certain conditions whether some, or all, of those players could transfer immediately without sitting out a year. A long-standing NCAA rule requires Division I football, basketball, football and hockey players to sit out a year if they transfer to another Division I school. Loyola Marymount assistant compliance director John Infante, who started the popular Bylawblog.com website, told CBSSports.com that even if Iowa was found to have no culpability in the players' conditions after vigorous workouts on Jan. 24, some could get that transfer waiver.

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February 16, 2011  08:55 AM ET
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Interesting. I wonder if any will attempt to do it.

This is one of the strangest stories to me all year. I'd really like to know the details around all of this.

February 16, 2011  09:08 AM ET
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No doubt. I can't imagine how hard you had to push yourself to end up like they did or what kind of pressure was on them to do it.

Agree...and some got sick during the workout while others didn't. Strange, real strange.

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February 16, 2011  09:16 AM ET

What did we all do to deserve five (5) football threads in the middle of college bball season? Don't the mods like our eye candy?

February 16, 2011  09:37 AM ET
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Agree...and some got sick during the workout while others didn't. Strange, real strange.

agree and it sounds like it's not a new routine but one they've done in years past.

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February 16, 2011  09:50 AM ET

go to minnesota...marquis gray is going to be a beast at qb

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February 16, 2011  10:16 AM ET
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They figure most of us are "fappin" to the SI Girls, no need to post pics

Damn, we all got caught! Frickin' web cams!

February 16, 2011  10:58 AM ET

The problem- rhabdomyolysis- is the breakdown of muscle caused by over use in this case but many other things can cause it as well- including viral infections, more moderate exercise in extreme heat etc. In this situation, from what players said, it was directly due to a workout that was supervised and apparently mandatory and included 100 timed reps of a 250# weighted squat. The biggest problem with rhabdomyolysis is that a breakdown product of muscle, when present in large quantites in the blood stream, can cause kidney failure and in that case it is indeed serious.

The football staff was certainly culpable of negligence, even more worrisome was the press conference where the head of the university medical school renal (kidney) division pretended as though he had no idea what might have happened. That kind of covering up to protect the football coaches is beyond unethical for a physician. If I were a parent I would have lost all confidence in the entire institution and the parents of the players should make it their business to understand what happened by talking to independent experts and not allow themselves to be bs'd by the U of I.

February 16, 2011  11:22 AM ET
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The problem- rhabdomyolysis- is the breakdown of muscle caused by over use in this case but many other things can cause it as well- including viral infections, more moderate exercise in extreme heat etc. In this situation, from what players said, it was directly due to a workout that was supervised and apparently mandatory and included 100 timed reps of a 250# weighted squat. The biggest problem with rhabdomyolysis is that a breakdown product of muscle, when present in large quantites in the blood stream, can cause kidney failure and in that case it is indeed serious. The football staff was certainly culpable of negligence, even more worrisome was the press conference where the head of the university medical school renal (kidney) division pretended as though he had no idea what might have happened. That kind of covering up to protect the football coaches is beyond unethical for a physician. If I were a parent I would have lost all confidence in the entire institution and the parents of the players should make it their business to understand what happened by talking to independent experts and not allow themselves to be bs'd by the U of I.

At yet you fail to mention that excessive use of alcohol after a strenus workout can cause it, or the use of some legal supplements and several other factors. We don't know that the staff is culpable since we don't know what happened and what outside factors may have caused it. The medical director and the school can not tell us everything due to HIPPA laws, I'm sure the parents know a lot more of what happened and what is happening than we do. I think this article is more speculation and rumor starting than any of the players actually talking about transfering. With the way the media and internet is now, if any of these players had even mentioned the idea of transfering, we would have heard about it by now.

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February 16, 2011  12:50 PM ET

i hope all they all do leave, some schools need that wake up call , look at rich rod last year with players having to go to the newspapers about excessive workouts, a trend in the big 10?

February 16, 2011  01:15 PM ET

This article is not even based on fact...but is pure speculation by Dodd. Nobody at the University of Iowa was even consulted on this article. He is just throwing cr*p on a wall to see what sticks and gets the most hits on his blog.

February 16, 2011  03:09 PM ET

Iowa had a bad season- this is what athletes do after having one- they work twice as hard- it's also a workout that they do every year - this being the first case of "over doing" shouldn't tarnish ferentz- or Iowa and not compare this school to um and richrod.

I agree with the prior post that states outside substances or factors could play a role in this such as alcohol etc- these are college kids and Iowa is known for it's night life on campus. W it being there first week back I could see putting the two together.

It is bad that no ones talking but then again hospitals and the school aren't allowed since they are students

February 16, 2011  03:10 PM ET

"At yet you fail to mention that excessive use of alcohol after a strenus workout can cause it, or the use of some legal supplements and several other factors."

No, I did mention that there can be a number of reasons but let's be serious. A load of football players did NOT undergo "the most strenuous workout they had ever participated in" (according to one of the hospitalized players) and then get roaring drunk and fall asleep for 12 hours lying on their arms with resulting traumatic muscle necrosis. I'm not exactly sure what the connection between "supplements" and rhabdomyolysis is but again I strongly suspect that all of these players weren't abusing some type of mild otc "upper" and then go beserk, running around the frat house for hours, until they developed rhabdomyolysis.

Muscle damage of sufficient severity to require hospitalization requires a substantial breakdown of muscle and extreme exercise (especially in heat) is far and away the most common reason- so far and away that nothing else is close. These players were undergoing extreme exercise, a fact admitted by the football program, so rather than looking for excuses with probabilities of .001% chance of having happened it seems, especially when the consideration is the decision of parents to allow their kids to stay in the program, more reasonable to conclude that what happened was exactly what almost certainly did happen- the football staff (the strength and condiditoning coach first and foremost) put the interests of the program so far ahead of the welfare of the players that it engaged in reckless behavior jeopardizing the health of the athletes involved.

If it were a trial situation the level of proof would be different, and the burden of proof would be on the families so the school could raise one-in-a-million possibilites to confuse the jury (which would hopefully be well versed by the court on the "more probable than not" standard"). When it is parental decision about the lives of their kids a presmption of guilt should be placed on the school by those parents.

February 16, 2011  03:36 PM ET
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"At yet you fail to mention that excessive use of alcohol after a strenus workout can cause it, or the use of some legal supplements and several other factors."No, I did mention that there can be a number of reasons but let's be serious. A load of football players did NOT undergo "the most strenuous workout they had ever participated in" (according to one of the hospitalized players) and then get roaring drunk and fall asleep for 12 hours lying on their arms with resulting traumatic muscle necrosis. I'm not exactly sure what the connection between "supplements" and rhabdomyolysis is but again I strongly suspect that all of these players weren't abusing some type of mild otc "upper" and then go beserk, running around the frat house for hours, until they developed rhabdomyolysis. Muscle damage of sufficient severity to require hospitalization requires a substantial breakdown of muscle and extreme exercise (especially in heat) is far and away the most common reason- so far and away that nothing else is close. These players were undergoing extreme exercise, a fact admitted by the football program, so rather than looking for excuses with probabilities of .001% chance of having happened it seems, especially when the consideration is the decision of parents to allow their kids to stay in the program, more reasonable to conclude that what happened was exactly what almost certainly did happen- the football staff (the strength and condiditoning coach first and foremost) put the interests of the program so far ahead of the welfare of the players that it engaged in reckless behavior jeopardizing the health of the athletes involved. If it were a trial situation the level of proof would be different, and the burden of proof would be on the families so the school could raise one-in-a-million possibilites to confuse the jury (which would hopefully be well versed by the court on the "more probable than not" standard"). When it is parental decision about the lives of their kids a presmption of guilt should be placed on the school by those parents.

"paging Dr. Lawyer, paging Dr. Lawyer." ;) You sir are far too learned to be posting with a group of degenerate half-wits such as ourselves. We're not used to seeing this many words without some pictures.

February 16, 2011  04:30 PM ET
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Might be hazing.

I got rhabdomyolysis of the eyeball just reading that. ( I learned something however.)

February 16, 2011  04:49 PM ET

Maybe if these nancy boys were playin' for Leach, they wouldn't bellyache about rough treatment. remember the old days of Bear Bryant in the burning sun no water for hours of work outs. No crybabies allowed there, man. If they complained, make 'em stand in a dark closet or something where their muscles could heal.

the preceding paragraph as been brought to you by the exaggeration to prove a point foundation.

 
February 16, 2011  07:23 PM ET

How about as a player you **** up and get ready for the workout they all knew was coming. Instead of partying the weekend before the workout maybe get your body ready for what lies ahead. I'm sick of the blame game. I know its an outdated concept but take responsibility for yourself and your actions. Don't blame others for your screw-up. You don't hear the Iowa players bitching and blaming anybody, but look out for mommy and daddy and the media to stir up some purely speculative controversy. Little Johnny got a boo-boo - Who can we blame. Do any of you really think Kirk Ferenz wants to hurt his players or program intentionally? This workout has gone on for years and will continue for years to come so get ready incoming Hawkeyes. This workout is part of the reason the Hawkeyes are called the "Bullies Of The Big 10".

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