Who's available -- and untouchable -- in Florida?

Vasquez is the classic rent-a-player.

Florida. Where baseball goes to die.

Really, they'd "consider" trading Vazquez? Problem with that is that no one would "consider" trading for Vazquez.

It's the Marlins...everyone is available and no one is untouchable.

The Marlins barely draw 17,000 a game. Last in MLB for attendance. Tampa Bay comes in at 28,the third lowest. Do anything they want, who is going to notice?

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Originally posted 08:56 AM ET  07.19 by Schad - Notorious Deadbeat

Really, they'd "consider" trading Vazquez? Problem with that is that no one would "consider" trading for Vazquez.

Toledo Mudhens?

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Originally posted 08:56 AM ET  07.19 by MacMucci

It's the Marlins...everyone is available and no one is untouchable.

There ya go. Sad, but true.

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Originally posted 09:02 AM ET  07.19 by Hellborn

Toledo Mudhens?

At least he would play before a crowd. The Mudhens averaged almost 600,00 for three years attendance. No kidding, I looked it up.

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Originally posted 09:05 AM ET  07.19 by 50yearfan

At least he would play before a crowd. The Mudhens averaged almost 600,00 for three years attendance. No kidding, I looked it up.

Lehigh Valley is averaging almost 10,000 a game.

The Marlins are averaging 17,000 a game.

It's pretty sad when a minor league team is within 7,000 on average. I'm gonna guess that LV has a much smaller stadium as well.

Contract The Fish!

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Originally posted 08:56 AM ET  07.19 by MacMucci

It's the Marlins...everyone is available and no one is untouchable.

Generally true, but the Marlins are opening a new stadium next year. So, they are expecting a big increase in attendance and don't want to piss off their fans too bad. That said, Loria is a lunatic owner, so anything could happen.

There are tickets for the game on Thursday for the Marlins going for $3 on StubHub. That's less than a large coffee at some places.

They are trying to give tickets away and no one is interested.

They can blame the stadium all they want, but no one is interested in their product. Sure, they'll get a bump for a season or so, like the Mets did, but then people will realize that they still don't have any money in South Florida and go back to not attending.

Plus, if it is the stadium that brings them out, they aren't really baseball fans to begin with, so that's another reason the attendance will be artificially inflated the first year or so.

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Originally posted 09:22 AM ET  07.19 by Schad - Notorious Deadbeat

There are tickets for the game on Thursday for the Marlins going for $3 on StubHub. That's less than a large coffee at some places.They are trying to give tickets away and no one is interested.They can blame the stadium all they want, but no one is interested in their product. Sure, they'll get a bump for a season or so, like the Mets did, but then people will realize that they still don't have any money in South Florida and go back to not attending.Plus, if it is the stadium that brings them out, they aren't really baseball fans to begin with, so that's another reason the attendance will be artificially inflated the first year or so.

Probably true. However, an indoor stadium is far more appropriate for South Florida than an open air stadium.

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Originally posted 09:22 AM ET  07.19 by Schad - Notorious Deadbeat

There are tickets for the game on Thursday for the Marlins going for $3 on StubHub. That's less than a large coffee at some places.They are trying to give tickets away and no one is interested.They can blame the stadium all they want, but no one is interested in their product. Sure, they'll get a bump for a season or so, like the Mets did, but then people will realize that they still don't have any money in South Florida and go back to not attending.Plus, if it is the stadium that brings them out, they aren't really baseball fans to begin with, so that's another reason the attendance will be artificially inflated the first year or so.

I have to agree with you totally. Short term attendance jump, that is all.
Fans sit in cold and snow and rain and wind in places like Boston or New York and in 100 degree heat in St. Louis all the time. Florida just is not baseball country.
Players will not stay there if they have a choice.

Maybe we can make a deal for Vazquez again. Third time's a charm lol.

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Originally posted 09:05 AM ET  07.19 by 50yearfan

At least he would play before a crowd. The Mudhens averaged almost 600,00 for three years attendance. No kidding, I looked it up.

Dayton Dragons longest sell-out streak in any professional franchise, 815 straight games sold-out , and the streak will not end anytime soon they have 8,000 fans on there waiting list for season tickets , the staduim only sits 7,300 but with standing room they bring in about 8,500 a game they also have 29 luxury boxs ......not to bad

Hopefully the owner of the Marlins gets the club into financial trouble and they can take the team from him. unfortunately that will never happen as the guy uses the team as his personal piggybank, he doesn't deserve any help building a stadium. he robs MLB and puts little back into the team.

As a native Floridian, I can attest that the stadium issue is much greater in reality than it is on paper. First of all, it's one of the old-school convertible stadiums (football and baseball) that have been historically abysmal for baseball. Secondly, the stadium is located in limbo-land, on the Dade-Broward county border; it's a friggin' schlepp for anyone to make to see a game. Thirdly, having a cover for the stadium will help mitigate the environmental elements such as the heat/humidity and rain. I think the new stadium will greatly improve attendance, if not simply because it will be in a much more accessible location.

There's a similar argument for why the Rays have such poor attendance -- the stadium is in a terrible location for accessibility, the parking situation is horrible, and the stadium itself is homely and claustrophobic. The Rays would be well served by moving over to the Yankee's old training grounds at Legends Field.

who's available and who its untouchable? every player has a price, regardless if its sanchez, nolasco, or johnson, when the right time comes this franchise will do the unexpected right in the midle of the night!!

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Originally posted 12:59 PM ET  07.19 by h2opololpunk

There's a similar argument for why the Rays have such poor attendance -- the stadium is in a terrible location for accessibility, the parking situation is horrible, and the stadium itself is homely and claustrophobic.

and then there's all that broken glass from pop-ups hitting the lights. :-)

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Originally posted 12:59 PM ET  07.19 by h2opololpunk

As a native Floridian, I can attest that the stadium issue is much greater in reality than it is on paper. First of all, it's one of the old-school convertible stadiums (football and baseball) that have been historically abysmal for baseball. Secondly, the stadium is located in limbo-land, on the Dade-Broward county border; it's a friggin' schlepp for anyone to make to see a game. Thirdly, having a cover for the stadium will help mitigate the environmental elements such as the heat/humidity and rain. I think the new stadium will greatly improve attendance, if not simply because it will be in a much more accessible location.There's a similar argument for why the Rays have such poor attendance -- the stadium is in a terrible location for accessibility, the parking situation is horrible, and the stadium itself is homely and claustrophobic. The Rays would be well served by moving over to the Yankee's old training grounds at Legends Field.

Yeah, don't ya love those three hour rain delays. You can count on at least one a week