Rockies see upside in 38-year-old Helton

Well, someone has to.

Wait till his contact comes up. lol.

He still has all of his own teeth!

same story the past 5 years since he stopped juicing

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Originally posted 09:32 AM ET  11.21 by DENVERROB

same story the past 5 years since he stopped juicing

Isn't it a shame that all the good guys of late 90's early 2000's now suck all of a sudden?!! All after the Mitchell report.

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Originally posted 10:06 AM ET  11.21 by TBRaysFan

Isn't it a shame that all the good guys of late 90's early 2000's now suck all of a sudden?!! All after the Mitchell report.

I never really cared one way or another about juicing. If someone wants to mortgage their life-span to potentially increase their ability to play a sport, that's their prerogative. So they die before 50... maybe it was worth it for all the money and fame they accumulated during their short lives. That's their choice to make, and no one is ever forced to play sports professionally.

And don't give me the BS about being "role models" for the youth -- athletes, as Charles Barkley once put it, are not role models.

"Juice" made for some exciting baseball and rejuvenated the sport after the strike year. Like it or not. But, I don't miss those years. It's nice to have more pitcher's duels these days.

Add in some thin air, a hitters park, and that warning track power becomes more. What hitter does not want that going for him 81 games a year?

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Originally posted 10:48 AM ET  11.21 by h2opololpunk

I never really cared one way or another about juicing. If someone wants to mortgage their life-span to potentially increase their ability to play a sport, that's their prerogative. So they die before 50... maybe it was worth it for all the money and fame they accumulated during their short lives. That's their choice to make, and no one is ever forced to play sports professionally.And don't give me the BS about being "role models" for the youth -- athletes, as Charles Barkley once put it, are not role models. "Juice" made for some exciting baseball and rejuvenated the sport after the strike year. Like it or not. But, I don't miss those years. It's nice to have more pitcher's duels these days.

ant they would have killed the sport had they not gotten rid of them.

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Originally posted 10:06 AM ET  11.21 by TBRaysFan

Isn't it a shame that all the good guys of late 90's early 2000's now suck all of a sudden?!! All after the Mitchell report.

Debatable that he was juicing. Mostly, he was aided my the hitter's park. Now, he "sucks", because he's 38 and Coors has the humidor. Those numbers wouldn't indicate that he sucks though.

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Originally posted 10:48 AM ET  11.21 by h2opololpunk

I never really cared one way or another about juicing. If someone wants to mortgage their life-span to potentially increase their ability to play a sport, that's their prerogative. So they die before 50... maybe it was worth it for all the money and fame they accumulated during their short lives. That's their choice to make, and no one is ever forced to play sports professionally.And don't give me the BS about being "role models" for the youth -- athletes, as Charles Barkley once put it, are not role models. "Juice" made for some exciting baseball and rejuvenated the sport after the strike year. Like it or not. But, I don't miss those years. It's nice to have more pitcher's duels these days.

To NOT care about juicing is saying you don't care about the sport...or the records of those that did it w/o juice. Go watch professional wrestling or something - no one cares about that crap either....sheesh.

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Originally posted 06:23 PM ET  11.21 by jrg53

To NOT care about juicing is saying you don't care about the sport...or the records of those that did it w/o juice. Go watch professional wrestling or something - no one cares about that crap either....sheesh.

Are you a fan of the NFL? That league is plagued with juicing.

Also, the bye-gone eras were plagued with the use of amphetamines and other "PEDs." Those records are just as tainted as the modern ones.

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Originally posted 10:06 AM ET  11.21 by TBRaysFan

Isn't it a shame that all the good guys of late 90's early 2000's now suck all of a sudden?!! All after the Mitchell report.

That and the fact that they're all 10 YEARS OLDER NOW!

Helton? He still plays?

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Originally posted 10:48 AM ET  11.21 by h2opololpunk

I never really cared one way or another about juicing. If someone wants to mortgage their life-span to potentially increase their ability to play a sport, that's their prerogative. So they die before 50... maybe it was worth it for all the money and fame they accumulated during their short lives. That's their choice to make, and no one is ever forced to play sports professionally.And don't give me the BS about being "role models" for the youth -- athletes, as Charles Barkley once put it, are not role models. "Juice" made for some exciting baseball and rejuvenated the sport after the strike year. Like it or not. But, I don't miss those years. It's nice to have more pitcher's duels these days.

Fine however your take misses the whole point of why juicing is wrong. The real point is the game should be fair at least to the extent that the player with the best talent moves up through the system, plays the most, etc. A juiced player like Brady Anderson hit 50 hrs one year and wasn't near the player those numbers represented. Someone who was actually better than Brady Anderson lost his opportunity at the expense of a drug cheat. That's where the real unfairness is. No one cares about the juicers themselves...the point is it cheats the fairness of the game itself.

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Originally posted 07:16 PM ET  11.21 by h2opololpunk

Are you a fan of the NFL? That league is plagued with juicing. Also, the bye-gone eras were plagued with the use of amphetamines and other "PEDs." Those records are just as tainted as the modern ones.

Not even close. Amphetamines aren't in the same league as steroids. Steroids make a player have 100% energy every day, every game, every at bat, etc. That's something amphetamines cannot do and that's why the #'s for steroids cheats reflect that.

Todd Helton still plays baseball?

Lets not forget, hitters werent the only ones Juicing, lol, Lol like a 42 year old how pitches 120 pitches in 8 innings of shut out baseball in a game 6, rolls in 2 days later and goea another 3 and 1/3rd of shutout ball again, throwin gas i may add too ! Clemons was better from 35 to 42 then 27 to 34, all pro sports should simply monitor it w an independant physicians and that way no one cld cheat, people will steal 100 bucks and face poss prison time, human nature says 100 mill on the table guys are gonna do whatever to take cAre of 10 generationa of their families ! Besides, who doesnt wanna watch their favorite players play until they are 43 hitting 50plus HR's a year ?