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10:46 AM ET 01.29 | Today more than ever, hating Missouri is something the entire Big 12 can get behind. Acting commissioner Chuck Neinas made news last week by calling MU's decision to leave for the SEC "selfish" and "disruptive." Before Ricardo Ratliffe won the Big 12's player of the week award, Kim English joked ??? at least, we think he was joking - that the league would never honor an MU player like that. There are whispers within the conference, from people with the kinds of jobs that don't allow them to say such things publicly, that wanting to keep MU from walking away with a title in any sport is the first thing the remaining Big 12 schools have agreed on in years. Demand for the Feb. 25 Border War game in Lawrence is so high that the fire marshal is already asking questions. Even $50,000 donors are being turned down or limited to just a few tickets. Failing a national championship, the stakes for this game could not be higher: Eternal bragging rights.

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January 29, 2012  11:39 AM ET

KU fans i know are glad to see Mizzou leave, and believe they will amount to nothing down in the SEC.

January 29, 2012  11:42 AM ET
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KU fans i know are glad to see Mizzou leave, and believe they will amount to nothing down in the SEC.

If that's true Van, why did the SEC want them?

January 29, 2012  11:52 AM ET
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If that's true Van, why did the SEC want them?

I have no fight in this dog,, just repeating what the local idiots around here are speaking.

January 29, 2012  12:07 PM ET

There sure is a lot of butthurt in the Big 12 over Missouri leaving.

January 29, 2012  01:43 PM ET
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There sure is a lot of butthurt in the Big 12 over Missouri leaving.

Mizzou is what they is - an athletic program that won a total of 7 Big 12 conference championships in all sports. Dead last.

January 29, 2012  02:14 PM ET

I can see Mizzu / Kentucky being a decent rivalry. I don't think it will compare to Mizzu / KU but still a nice rivalry.

January 29, 2012  02:45 PM ET
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If that's true Van, why did the SEC want them?

The SEC wanted them for their media market (Kansas City and St. Louis)

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January 29, 2012  03:56 PM ET

The Tigers are kittens, good riddance for the Big12, not sure why the SEC would want such a small, localized market( St.Louis has it's own University for the uniformed), although there are some superb athletes coming out of that region. Back when Kirk Ferentz first took over Head Ball Coaching duties at he University of Iowa, and we were losing lots of games those first couple of years, Missouri had signed on for a four game series with the Hawkeyes. Before the games rolled around though, bthe Hawkeyes started winning lots of games, and this obviously bothered Missou greatly, as they cancelled all the games?!? Basically we have a case of one team agreeing to play another because they thought they could kick their rear-ends, but when it came time to put up, or shut up, Missouri went quietly into that goodnight, lmao!!! With that knowledge tucked squarely in my back pocket, it made the Hawkeyes 2010 Insight Bowl victory over a favored Missouri, that much more enjoyable :] Here's a nice little quote from your coach all your Missouri fans; notice how your fearless coach doesn't even bother trying to disguise the fact that he cancelled the games because the Hawks were a tough team - even though he cancelled those games in 2001, when Iowa was coming off of 1-11, 3-8 and 7-5 teams respectively, lmao!!! Missouri sucks, and I hope they choke on a big steaming pile of SEC, GO HAWKEYES!!!

January 29, 2012  03:59 PM ET

Sry - forgot to leave the qoute :]

Officials agreed on a four-game series to be played from 2005-08, but Tigers coach Gary Pinkel canceled the deal after being hired in 2001. ???I call that intelligent scheduling,??? Pinkel told
reporters when the bowl matchup was announced.

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January 29, 2012  05:37 PM ET

Why would anyone other than Texas want to stay in the Big 12 if the SEC comes calling?

January 29, 2012  05:42 PM ET
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Sry - forgot to leave the qoute :]Officials agreed on a four-game series to be played from 2005-08, but Tigers coach Gary Pinkel canceled the deal after being hired in 2001. ???I call that intelligent scheduling,??? Pinkel toldreporters when the bowl matchup was announced.

Canceled in 2001. 11 years later and you're still crying about it. Get over it already.

January 29, 2012  05:43 PM ET

Acting commissioner Chuck Neinas made news last week by calling MU's decision to leave for the SEC "selfish" and "disruptive."

Ok, so MU's choice to bolt for the SEC was both 'selfish' & disruptive'...but the Big 12's poaching TCU and WV from the Big East was completely above criticism. If you're going to act petty & whine that a school left you for their own self interest, it'd probably look reflect better if you didn't turn around & push 2 schools to do the exact same thing to their conferences. Double standard.

Not saying the Big 12 shouldn't have gone after TCU and WV...just saying that they don't have a leg to stand on when they mirrored what the SEC did. And for what it's worth, I think Big 12 took a huge leap forward football-wise. Money & network sizes may be another issue, but I really see the SEC being diluted (still by far the best though) & Big 12 emerging as the undisputed #2,

January 29, 2012  06:10 PM ET

Look, there's a lot of hurt on both sides of the coin... For Missouri, we always got the poor choice of bowls and were in a league where our opinion mattered little. In 2008, the Tigers were ranked #1 in the country in football headed into the conference championship game. We lost to Oklahoma and somehow, Kansas (who lost to MU earlier in the year at a neutral site) gets the BCS Bowl birth and Missouri got relegated to the Cotton Bowl (where the Tigers beat McFadden and the Razorbacks 38-7). The Big 12 treated MU like an unwanted step child. Now, it has become obvious that OU, Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State would leave the conference if given the opportunity to join the PAC 12. With growing conference unstability, very little conference support for the University, and several Big 12 internal feuds, it became evident for Missouri and other schools (Colorado, Nebraska, & Texas A&M) to leave the conference. Of course, University officials knew that leaving would lead to collateral damage, including the loss of the KU rivalry. Despite losing that, leaving the Big 12 was the best move Missouri could ever make.

Now, KU and Big 12 fans have a much different take. They blaim Mizzou for starting this conference mess since they were the first school to explore its options. They blaim Mizzou for ending rivalries and for turning down their Big 12 offers to stay one more year. They call Mizzou selfish.

Was Mizzou selfish? Absolutely. They did what was best for their university. Did they do the Big 12 wrong? No way! The Big 12 could have avoided this by dividing out power and money equally. They could have stopped this by assuring that only the most deserving teams go to the elite bowl games. No one ever spoke up on Mizzou's behalf. They allowed Texas and Oklahoma to rule this conference. Unfortunately, nothing has changed and the Big 12 still has major issues. I think what KU fans fear most is that MU is getting out, going to an elite league and they still wonder what will happen to them when OU, Texas, Tech, and Okie State finally do leave.
So, this rivalry is heating up and ultimately, KU will more than likely walk away with the title. However, this rivalry will end and KU has the power to keep it going, but won't. Its a sad end to a great rivalry, but I can't wait for new rivalries with Kentucky, Arkansas, and Tennessee.

January 29, 2012  06:58 PM ET
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Why would anyone other than Texas want to stay in the Big 12 if the SEC comes calling?

Exactly. The Big 12 right now is as tenuous a conference as there ever was. You have the have-nots sticking with a few haves just because the alternative is likely the Mountain West and less money than they are currently getting squashed into accepting.

Think Kansas would be sticking around if the SEC came calling? Likely not. Missouri to the SEC is a business decision, and a very good one. Nebraska and Colorado have already left. Kansas is the only real rival they have left in the Big 12, and they are negotiating an annual game in Kansas City. They likely won't even win the "down" SEC East, much less the SECCG. They will make more money, be on national TV via CBS or ESPN far more often, and be in a far more stable situation.

January 29, 2012  07:04 PM ET
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I can see Mizzu / Kentucky being a decent rivalry. I don't think it will compare to Mizzu / KU but still a nice rivalry.

I agree for basketball at least. Mizzou and A&M will immediately be in the top half of the SEC basketball which means not just Kentucky, but rivalries with UF, Vandy, and UT if they can get back from the Pearle situation.

As for Football, Mizzou will have a hard time there. Maybe UK will end up being a rival too. People dont realize that UK/Vandy, UK/UT, and UT/Vandy are SEC rivals. You dont have to be good to be a rival. Kansas certainly isnt usually any good in football. Arkansas would be a natural rival too, but they won't play often.

January 29, 2012  09:26 PM ET
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Look, there's a lot of hurt on both sides of the coin... For Missouri, we always got the poor choice of bowls and were in a league where our opinion mattered little.

do you really think that will matter more in the SEC?

 
January 29, 2012  11:09 PM ET
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( St.Louis has it's own University for the uniformed)

So does Detroit. So does Milwaukee. So do Oklahoma City and Indianapolis and Portland. Etc., etc. Do you really think local interest in the major state universities is diluted by private urban schools, which have far fewer alums? SLU's presence in one of Mizzou's two main markets is a silly point. For the uninformed.

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