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08:05 AM ET 02.07 | Peyton Manning's widely discussed neck injury isn't the only variable that complicates his future, no matter where that may be. I'm more concerned with Manning's much-discussed dead nerve condition that has affected his triceps in his throwing arm and has weakened his ability to throw. I was told Sunday that Manning's arm strength has diminished by as much as 40 percent as a result of the weakened triceps muscles. And I was told the issue wasn't just to the point where he can throw on game days, but there would be legitimate worry he can throw four or five times a week. ... [There] is doubt he could throw day after day even if his nerves regenerate because the muscles in his arm could fatigue more easily than they once did.

The Miami Herald

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February 7, 2012  08:11 AM ET

If anyone can overcome this, it Peyton. I will take a reduced number 18 over the glorified TE my Broncos had playing QB!

February 7, 2012  08:27 AM ET

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Muscle mass and strength can be re-built fairly easily through training. It's the nerves that are important - if they are healed, he can come back to full strength in time.

February 7, 2012  08:27 AM ET

Mannings arm strength down 40% is still better than half the QB's in the league.

February 7, 2012  08:41 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Mannings arm strength down 40% is still better than half the QB's in the league.

Try telling that to the DB's who intercept his passes

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February 7, 2012  08:47 AM ET

Sounds like a good fit for Minnesota.

February 7, 2012  08:53 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Mannings arm strength down 40% is still better than half the QB's in the league.

Manning without the big arm is Chad Pennington.

February 7, 2012  09:24 AM ET

I don't get how all of the information varies so much. I mean of course his arm strength is down right now, but I am not seeing why it can't be regained.

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February 7, 2012  09:26 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

If anyone can overcome this, it Peyton. I will take a reduced number 18 over the glorified TE my Broncos had playing QB!

^^^I love this!

February 7, 2012  09:31 AM ET

I can't be the only one that wants the PM talk to end for a while. Let's wait until there is actually something new before having this discussion again

February 7, 2012  09:39 AM ET

Obviously he has a lot of rehabbing ahead, and it's only a question of time before anyone knows if he'll play again...and be effective if he does!

February 7, 2012  09:42 AM ET

Muscle is incredibly adaptive and as long as the nerve regenerates completely, he should be able to return to full strength. He should only be concerned if the nerve damage is permanent or he is suffering from a lack of blood flow to the area.
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February 7, 2012  09:42 AM ET

Obviously he has a lot of rehabbing ahead, and it's only a question of time before anyone knows if he'll play again...and be effective if he does!

February 7, 2012  09:47 AM ET

This is ridiculous! He just started throwing again after sitting out an entire season due to injury. I highly doubt he walked onto the practice field and just started airing it out. If his arm hasn't improved by the time OTAs start, then you have a story.

February 7, 2012  09:53 AM ET
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really? He doesn't play a season and his arm strength is down, go figure

Sounds like the pinched/damaged nerve is why the owner mentioned last week that Manning has not been cleared by the team (the bone/ligament integrity from the surgery apparently has recovered, but an apparent reason for the surgery, or possibly a complication of the surgery, is the nerve damage, and that has not recovered). An impression is the nerves to his arm/triceps are firing on only 5 of 8 cylinders - and the impression in news articles is it is too soon to determine if the nerves will fully recover.

To appreciate the significance of a nerve problem (and the effect on muscle), find a picture of Johnny Unitas from about a decade ago (SI had an article on NFL injuries) - Johnny's hand is relatively shriveled from nerve damage.

February 7, 2012  09:57 AM ET

"I was told...." - this by some wahoo at the Miami Herald. Really? That's the most inside guy in sports? I don't think so. I bet he was "told" by a third party med student that is hypothesizing that if the nerve was not fully regenerated then it could cause as much as 40% reduction in strength. But he wanted to be the first to report it, so he throws out random "I was told" crap.

February 7, 2012  10:01 AM ET

Nerves come back. Sometimes it takes a year...maybe more. Look at Dave Mustaine, the Megadeth guitarist who damaged a major nerve in his arm by falling asleep in a chair and actually retired because he couldn't play guitar anymore. Well, it took a while, but he's a touring musician again. Peyton is not even 6 months removed from major surgery. I bet by training camp, he's back to 100%.

 
February 7, 2012  10:10 AM ET

This is ridiculous! He just started throwing again after sitting out an entire season due to injury. I highly doubt he walked onto the practice field and just started airing it out. If his arm hasn't improved by the time OTAs start, then you have a story.

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