Greinke mum on future in Milwaukee

im hoping this is the Rangers target at the trading deadline this year.

People talk about this guy as if he's one of the better pitchers in the majors. I don't get it.

Certainly, he had an off-the-chain good 2009 season, but remove that from his career stats and he's got a 4.18 ERA.

He had a 3.83 ERA last year? Big deal. The average starting pitcher in the NL last year had a 3.95 ERA.

I think he's a good pitcher, but is no where near the top.

QUOTE(#3):

Originally posted 08:43 AM ET  02.21 by SlinkyRedfoot

People talk about this guy as if he's one of the better pitchers in the majors. I don't get it.Certainly, he had an off-the-chain good 2009 season, but remove that from his career stats and he's got a 4.18 ERA.He had a 3.83 ERA last year? Big deal. The average starting pitcher in the NL last year had a 3.95 ERA.I think he's a good pitcher, but is no where near the top.

Completely agree. I wonder who is going to overpay for him.

QUOTE(#3):

Originally posted 08:43 AM ET  02.21 by SlinkyRedfoot

People talk about this guy as if he's one of the better pitchers in the majors. I don't get it.Certainly, he had an off-the-chain good 2009 season, but remove that from his career stats and he's got a 4.18 ERA.He had a 3.83 ERA last year? Big deal. The average starting pitcher in the NL last year had a 3.95 ERA.I think he's a good pitcher, but is no where near the top.

He *is* that good, but he comes with known baggage. He has major social anxiety disorder. It's a reason he'd prefer not to pitch where he could allegedly maximize his economic return.

The pick-up basketball injury last spring didn't help...

He's one of those enigmatic personalities who needs to be handled with care. The good news is he knows his limitations.

By the way... he was the Cy Young Award winner in 2009. That was just after having dealt with some of his personal demons.

QUOTE(#3):

Originally posted 08:43 AM ET  02.21 by SlinkyRedfoot

People talk about this guy as if he's one of the better pitchers in the majors. I don't get it.Certainly, he had an off-the-chain good 2009 season, but remove that from his career stats and he's got a 4.18 ERA.He had a 3.83 ERA last year? Big deal. The average starting pitcher in the NL last year had a 3.95 ERA.I think he's a good pitcher, but is no where near the top.

I hope no one gives this guy $100 million.

QUOTE(#5):

Originally posted 08:49 AM ET  02.21 by Hoos Your Daddy

He *is* that good, but he comes with known baggage. He has major social anxiety disorder. It's a reason he'd prefer not to pitch where he could allegedly maximize his economic return.The pick-up basketball injury last spring didn't help...He's one of those enigmatic personalities who needs to be handled with care. The good news is he knows his limitations.

Blah, blah, blah.

I don't care if he wets his pants in large crowds. The fact is, the Majors are full of pitchers with "amazing stuff" that can't put it together on a consistent basis. Burnett, Johnson and Beckette come to mind.

They may be the most talented pitchers in the history of the universe, but if that talent doesn't translate into consistant, elite performance on the mound, who gives a squirt?

He's not an elite pitcher. Period. I could probably list a couple dozen pitchers I'd take before Zack "I **** thumb" Greinke.

QUOTE(#4):

Originally posted 08:49 AM ET  02.21 by Kenny_Powers

Completely agree. I wonder who is going to overpay for him.

I say the Marlins.

QUOTE(#6):

Originally posted 08:52 AM ET  02.21 by Hoos Your Daddy

By the way... he was the Cy Young Award winner in 2009.

Oh, thanks. I was unaware of that.

Here's something you're apparently not aware of: in the roughly four hundred innings since then, he's got a 4.02 ERA and 101 ERA+.

For your sake, I hope the Red Sox get him.

QUOTE(#5):

Originally posted 08:49 AM ET  02.21 by Hoos Your Daddy

He *is* that good, but he comes with known baggage. He has major social anxiety disorder. It's a reason he'd prefer not to pitch where he could allegedly maximize his economic return.The pick-up basketball injury last spring didn't help...He's one of those enigmatic personalities who needs to be handled with care. The good news is he knows his limitations.

I think SAD is the same affliction that curtailed Jim Eisenrich's career.

Unfortunate.

More stats for Greinke... In 2009, these were his numbers:

Innings Pitched: 229.1
ERA: 2.16
WHIP: 1.07
WAR: 9.4

QUOTE(#12):

Originally posted 09:00 AM ET  02.21 by Hoos Your Daddy

More stats for Greinke... In 2009, these were his numbers:Innings Pitched: 229.1ERA: 2.16WHIP: 1.07WAR: 9.4

Steve Stone had one good year and won a Cy Young too. His career numbers are slightly more underwhelming than Grienke's.

QUOTE(#13):

Originally posted 09:04 AM ET  02.21 by SlinkyRedfoot

Steve Stone had one good year and won a Cy Young too. His career numbers are slightly more underwhelming than Grienke's.

Remember when Esteban Loaiza won 21 games?

QUOTE(#14):

Originally posted 09:08 AM ET  02.21 by .ChiSoxFan.

Remember when Esteban Loaiza won 21 games?

Hahaha. He's on Hoo's list of elite pitchers too.

QUOTE(#14):

Originally posted 09:08 AM ET  02.21 by .ChiSoxFan.

Remember when Esteban Loaiza won 21 games?

I can't help but use a really exagerated Mexican accent when I say "Esteban."

Es-tay-ban. Funny stuff.

QUOTE(#9):

Originally posted 08:57 AM ET  02.21 by jnorman41

I say the Marlins.

Haven't they already designated 2013 as a rebuilding year?

QUOTE(#13):

Originally posted 09:04 AM ET  02.21 by SlinkyRedfoot

Steve Stone had one good year and won a Cy Young too. His career numbers are slightly more underwhelming than Grienke's.

Name from the past...

... along with Pete Vuckovich.

QUOTE(#15):

Originally posted 09:10 AM ET  02.21 by SlinkyRedfoot

Hahaha. He's on Hoo's list of elite pitchers too.

Nope... I'm checking out the talent in Cleveland. :-P

QUOTE(#17):

Originally posted 09:12 AM ET  02.21 by Kenny_Powers

Haven't they already designated 2013 as a rebuilding year?

Florida is good for a title every decade.