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08:25 AM ET 03.07 | Add Jakub Voracek to the list of Kronwall victims. Red Wings defenseman Niklas Kronwall earned prime-foe status in Philadelphia after one of his trademark hits drew the ire of the Flyers and their fans. Although if any place should appreciate a bone-crushing hit, it would seem to be the home of the legendary Broad Street Bullies, Kronwall was booed heavily after a big hit on [Voracek] in the second period of the Flyers' 3-2 victory Tuesday at Wells Fargo Center. Voracek joins a growing list of players who've been "Kronwalled." "Guys have got to start being ready for it," Johan Franzen said. ... "He tries to keep it as clean as he can, but when a guy is skating with his head down and his head forward, it's hard to miss. He steps up. He keeps it clean."

Detroit Free Press

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March 7, 2012  08:41 AM ET

Who is hated in Philly?

Didn't see the hit. Philly fans, what say you? Clean or dirty? Hope Voracek is okay. Heard Jagr hurt his hip? Sound like a rough game.

March 7, 2012  08:46 AM ET

Who ISN'T HATED in Philly? ^

March 7, 2012  08:48 AM ET

March 7, 2012  08:50 AM ET

principle point of contact is the head. Voracek goes down and immediately fences. Anyone with any knowledge of sports medicine knows this is a sign of a midbrain injury, most likely a concussion. It's shameful that the refs didn't immediately blow the play dead. If they don't know how to recognize a fencing seizure then they seriously need more training. (like we already didn't know that)

March 7, 2012  08:55 AM ET

and another thing, i keep hearing from people how this hit is Voracek's fault for having his head down. Personally, i believe in mutual accountability. Yes, Jake should have his head up, especially when a head hunter like Kronwall is on the ice. But Kronwall had more than one option here. He didn't have to hit him in the head. He could have taken him to the boards, hip checked him, or gone for the shoulder.

I'm tired of people defending head hits by implying that is the only thing the hitter could have done. It isn't. There are plenty of guys who go their careers, throwing body checks the whole time, that don't jeapordize their prey's careers or health. Kronwall aint some tough guy, cripes he skated away from Braydon Schenn.

March 7, 2012  08:55 AM ET

I was at the game last night. Their was more angst in the building because the referees were so late blowing the whistle than there was about the hit being dirty. It was obvious Voracek was not in control of his faculties, and to let the play continue was disturbing. The booing you might have heard on TV was over the whistle more than the hit.

The hit was certainly on the edge of questionable. We would have liked to have seen Detroit a little more willing to engage in a fight (to relieve the tension), but they were not interested.

March 7, 2012  08:58 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

There are plenty of guys who go their careers, throwing body checks the whole time, that don't jeapordize their prey's careers or health. Kronwall aint some tough guy, cripes he skated away from Braydon Schenn.

Yep, Rob Blake was a good example of someone who threw heavy checks that were clean. And the only guy Kromwell was interested in not skating away from was Giroux. Give me a break.

March 7, 2012  08:59 AM ET

And before any of you bleeding hearts get started, let me say this. This isn't the same league pre-lockout. Just cuz a guy has his head down, doesn't give you Carte Blanche to headshot him. That was legal and accepted practice, but those days are gone. With the concussion epidemic going on the way it is, these hits have to be changed. If Kronwall had taken his shoulder, the EXACT same thing would have happened. Probably still would have been concussed as well, but i wouldn't have an issue with it. The principle point of contact on this hit was the head. Christ it was the only point of contact. If this isn't a suspension then i will have lost completely my faith that the NHL actually cares about the players or any form of integrity in regards to their rulebook and its enforcement.

March 7, 2012  08:59 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

principle point of contact is the head. Voracek goes down and immediately fences. Anyone with any knowledge of sports medicine knows this is a sign of a midbrain injury, most likely a concussion. It's shameful that the refs didn't immediately blow the play dead. If they don't know how to recognize a fencing seizure then they seriously need more training. (like we already didn't know that)

Did Mike and JR get into a screaming match about this one too.

Shame. As you can imagine, I have sympathy for Voracek. The Pens (whether hits were dirty or clean) have had to deal with their share of concussions.

I will never understand it. Head injuries happen. But more than half of them can be eliminated by players taking some care and responsibility.

March 7, 2012  09:01 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Who ISN'T HATED in Philly? ^

a much shorter list

March 7, 2012  09:03 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

And before any of you bleeding hearts get started, let me say this. This isn't the same league pre-lockout. Just cuz a guy has his head down, doesn't give you Carte Blanche to headshot him. That was legal and accepted practice, but those days are gone. With the concussion epidemic going on the way it is, these hits have to be changed. If Kronwall had taken his shoulder, the EXACT same thing would have happened. Probably still would have been concussed as well, but i wouldn't have an issue with it. The principle point of contact on this hit was the head. Christ it was the only point of contact. If this isn't a suspension then i will have lost completely my faith that the NHL actually cares about the players or any form of integrity in regards to their rulebook and its enforcement.

With the exception of the "bleeding hearts" line (I do HATE that expression) I agree with this completely

March 7, 2012  09:07 AM ET

Where was the whistle?

March 7, 2012  09:08 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

And before any of you bleeding hearts get started, let me say this. This isn't the same league pre-lockout. Just cuz a guy has his head down, doesn't give you Carte Blanche to headshot him. That was legal and accepted practice, but those days are gone. With the concussion epidemic going on the way it is, these hits have to be changed. If Kronwall had taken his shoulder, the EXACT same thing would have happened. Probably still would have been concussed as well, but i wouldn't have an issue with it. The principle point of contact on this hit was the head. Christ it was the only point of contact. If this isn't a suspension then i will have lost completely my faith that the NHL actually cares about the players or any form of integrity in regards to their rulebook and its enforcement.

You are preaching to the choir.

I don't think this hit was all that unlike Letang's the other day. And I don't wish to debate that one ALL OVER again. I had stated that although Kris needs to keep his head up more, Nystrom wasn't playing the puck (Kris didn't have it anymore), and I don't care if he claimed he was going for the body, he hit his head (Um, the chin is a part of the head). My point then and now is where is the personal responsibility and care for the OTHER player? I am not suggesting don't hit. But playing any way you please, and saying: "Hey, well, that's hockey." should no longer be an excuse.

March 7, 2012  09:09 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

The principle point of contact on this hit was the head. Christ it was the only point of contact. If this isn't a suspension then i will have lost completely my faith that the NHL actually cares about the players or any form of integrity in regards to their rulebook and its enforcement.

Now that I have seen the posted replay, it was clearly a headshot - from my vantage point last night it looked more like a shoulder to shoulder hit. Kronwell did not lead with his elbow or leave his feet, so I think most of us gave him the benefit of the doubt. I concur with you on the suspension. Clement was echoing the rest of the building --"where is the damn whistle?"

March 7, 2012  09:09 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Where was the whistle?

Exactly

March 7, 2012  09:10 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

With the exception of the "bleeding hearts" line (I do HATE that expression) I agree with this completely

Sorry Spiny, it's an old habit.

I remeber when Richards took out Booth. I was a defender of those hits. A lot has happened since then to change my mind. I understand that many head hits are unintentional, but until they change the equipment (should have been done already) players are going to have to change the way they approach hitting. I do NOT want to see hitting eliminated. But it needs to be cleaned up. We are losing too many players. Way too often.

March 7, 2012  09:15 AM ET

for those not versed in sports medicine...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencing_response

This is actually pretty basic stuff. Seen it many times on the field and on the rink, and it scared the crap out of me every time. It's absolutely shameful the refs didn't blow the whistle immediately. Classic fencing response. 99.9% of the time, that means concussion. Refs need retraining, obviously.

March 7, 2012  09:18 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

Sorry Spiny, it's an old habit.I remeber when Richards took out Booth. I was a defender of those hits. A lot has happened since then to change my mind. I understand that many head hits are unintentional, but until they change the equipment (should have been done already) players are going to have to change the way they approach hitting. I do NOT want to see hitting eliminated. But it needs to be cleaned up. We are losing too many players. Way too often.

again, spot on my friend

March 7, 2012  09:23 AM ET

What is interesting to me is how Babcock quotes are already doing damage control.

"He keeps it clean"

"when a guy is skating with his head down"

 
March 7, 2012  09:31 AM ET

Sorry, but I see this as the exact reason why you can't suspend any hit to the head. Kronwall hits him clean. His head is down, so what is Kronwall supposed to do, go on his knees to make the hit. This is hockey. He didn't leave his feet, he hit with his shoulder. What is Kronwall supposed to do in that situation?

Now I do agree and think the worst part was the refs not blowing the whistle quicker. I know there is something where they dont like to do it when the other team has possession, but I think they could have been smarter in that sense.

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