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Can more Cotton Bowl renovations keep Texas-OU in Dallas?

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09:08 AM ET 03.31 | A deal to keep the Red River Rivalry at Fair Park through 2020 is in the works, but it hinges on City Hall taking on an additional $25.5 million in debt for major improvements to the Cotton Bowl, officials said Friday. Some leaders at the schools have pushed through the years for the series to begin alternating between Austin and Norman, and Cowboys Stadium also has tried to lure the game from Fair Park. The Cotton Bowl Classic moved to Jerry Jones' stadium in 2010. Chairman of the State Fair of Texas' sports committee Pete Schenkel said both schools want the city to complete renovations to bring the Cotton Bowl into line with modern football stadiums.

Dallas Morning News

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March 31, 2012  09:29 AM ET

Might as well move it. CFB has blown up a lot of traditions in the name of conference realignment.

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March 31, 2012  09:50 AM ET
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Mke it a home and home, more fun.

Don't know how they could have more fun with a home and home. The Zero U and rusty cow fans have been having tons of fun in Dallas during RRSO week for many, many years. It's absolutely crazy. Some say too much fun...especially the Dallas Police Department.

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March 31, 2012  09:53 AM ET
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Don't know how they could have more fun with a home and home. The Zero U and rusty cow fans have been having tons of fun in Dallas during RRSO week for many, many years. It's absolutely crazy. Some say too much fun...especially the Dallas Police Department.

I lived in Dallas in the "heyday" when they would arrest 900+ folks that Friday nite in Downtown Dallas....back when they would get rooms in the hotels and then trash them that night.

Haven't been in a while (and probably not again), but the last time I was in Dallas, the sidewalks were one way and, if you tried to turnaround to go back, they would arrest you for causing a disturbance....

Used to be fun to get new employees, who had just moved into the area, to "go downtown tonight" for that night. LOL

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March 31, 2012  09:59 AM ET
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will the cost of renovations generate income to justify being spent?

Only if they get the tax $$$ from the businesses that benefit from the game.

March 31, 2012  10:02 AM ET
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Wow, one way sidewalks, signs, sign, everywhere a sign, even on dirt paths too.

It was/is a wild time.

Imagine getting all the Kentucky and Louisville fans, drinking and partying and then put them all within a 10 block area....oh....last night and tonight you say?

Never mind.... LOL

March 31, 2012  10:20 AM ET

How much money does the city of Dallas need to pump into this place to keep the game? We've seen this before .... in '06-'08 they pumped $57 million into renovations so the schools would renew their contracts through 2015. No more temporary bleachers in the end zone - hooray! Now it's alleged that the schools want more renovations so they can extend through 2020.

TX/OU is the only game that sells out the stadium. Grambling vs. Prarie View and the TicketCity bowl are the only other regular games and they don't come close to filling 92K seats.

I don't want the TX/OU game moved to JerryWorld or worse ... Norman/Austin. However it will take more than $25 million to "bring the Cotton Bowl into line with modern football stadiums" because modern football stadiums are monuments to shopping eating and socializing as much as they are about football. The Cotton Bowl still has horrible sight lines under the upper deck and that's not fixable.

The lack of luxury suites is probably a big downer for the rich boosters from both schools. I'll bet they hate sitting in those awful plastic stadium seats, and they'd just love to rub elbows with Jerry over at JerryWorld.

March 31, 2012  10:33 AM ET

Have a feelin one of them (at least) is going to end up in another conference within 3 years so why bother. Hate what college football has become. My interest took a big hit this year. It's only going to go down from there.

March 31, 2012  10:33 AM ET
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How much money does the city of Dallas need to pump into this place to keep the game? We've seen this before .... in '06-'08 they pumped $57 million into renovations so the schools would renew their contracts through 2015. No more temporary bleachers in the end zone - hooray! Now it's alleged that the schools want more renovations so they can extend through 2020.TX/OU is the only game that sells out the stadium. Grambling vs. Prarie View and the TicketCity bowl are the only other regular games and they don't come close to filling 92K seats.I don't want the TX/OU game moved to JerryWorld or worse ... Norman/Austin. However it will take more than $25 million to "bring the Cotton Bowl into line with modern football stadiums" because modern football stadiums are monuments to shopping eating and socializing as much as they are about football. The Cotton Bowl still has horrible sight lines under the upper deck and that's not fixable.The lack of luxury suites is probably a big downer for the rich boosters from both schools. I'll bet they hate sitting in those awful plastic stadium seats, and they'd just love to rub elbows with Jerry over at JerryWorld.

Of course the other stadiums don't have the State Fair of Texas as a backdrop....LOL

Went to the Fair last year for the first time in a while. They really have fixed that place up. Liked parking just west of the Historic District and riding the train in and back out....

March 31, 2012  10:34 AM ET
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Have a feelin one of them (at least) is going to end up in another conference within 3 years so why bother. Hate what college football has become. My interest took a big hit this year. It's only going to go down from there.

Probably so, but shouldn't impact the RRSO. They were in different conferences for all but the last 12 years....

March 31, 2012  10:38 AM ET
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Have a feelin one of them (at least) is going to end up in another conference within 3 years so why bother. Hate what college football has become. My interest took a big hit this year. It's only going to go down from there.

The RRSO predates UTx and OU being in the same conference. (It may even predate Big 8/SWC but even I ain't old enough to remember that.) Me thinks they will play each other regardless of conference affiliation...unlike UTx and A&M.

March 31, 2012  10:39 AM ET
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Probably so, but shouldn't impact the RRSO. They were in different conferences for all but the last 12 years....

Ninja'd by an old fart from Lovington.

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March 31, 2012  10:48 AM ET
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Ninja'd by an old fart from Lovington.

And ninja'd you walking backwards....

March 31, 2012  10:54 AM ET

IMO, both Texas and OU will be in the 12 PAC in the next 5 years!!!

March 31, 2012  11:05 AM ET
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IMO, both Texas and OU will be in the 12 PAC in the next 5 years!!!

The Pac12 conference would have to alter it's TV agreement and give 3rd tier rights back to the schools. Sorry but I don't see this happening.

And for all you schools that relinquished 3rd tier rights to your conference ... there's some prime swamp land for sale in Florida just call 1-800-IMSTUPID.

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March 31, 2012  11:15 AM ET
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The Pac12 conference would have to alter it's TV agreement and give 3rd tier rights back to the schools. Sorry but I don't see this happening.And for all you schools that relinquished 3rd tier rights to your conference ... there's some prime swamp land for sale in Florida just call 1-800-IMSTUPID.

Yeah, thanks for the info and you are right, I don't know much about the 3rd tier rights and I guess it was just wishful thinking on my part, as I would love to have both join and that way maybe the 12 Pac can get rid of Oregon State and Washington State. :-)

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