Will Joe Johnson end up a Knick?

do they have the money to get him though?

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Originally posted 08:48 AM ET  05.13 by JIGSAW

do they have the money to get him though?

No, but they do have Stat and the cat Novak to package together in order to attain Johnson. Stat's and Novak's contract would be close to equaling Johnson's, and problem solved two would be..........Johnson actually can guard and create a shot, whereas Novak couldn't.... swell!

Why would the Hawks trade Joe Johnson for Amare when 1. They already have Al Horford and Josh Smith as forwards and 2. While Joe Johnson is definitely overpaid, at this stage in their careers, he is a better player than Stoudemire? The Knicks could surely use Joe Johnson, but I don't see it happening.

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Originally posted 09:16 AM ET  05.13 by Klockwork33

Why would the Hawks trade Joe Johnson for Amare when 1. They already have Al Horford and Josh Smith as forwards and 2. While Joe Johnson is definitely overpaid, at this stage in their careers, he is a better player than Stoudemire? The Knicks could surely use Joe Johnson, but I don't see it happening.

Trust me, they wouldn't......this is just wishful thinking on my behalf.

Had Enough Of Southern Comfort, Bro?

I'd definitely NOT do that trade. The Knicks are garbage. Everyone on that team except for Tyson Chandler, Jared Jeffries, Carmelo Anthony, Landry Fields, Jeremy Lin (somewhat), and Iman Shumpert are all either too old, too crappy on defense, or too crappy in general. JR, Baron, Steve, Amar`e, they're all terrible and not worth picking up.

If i was the Hawks, the teams that seem desperate to me are Charlotte, Orlando, Brooklyn, Portland, Minnesota, and a Dallas. Atlanta should try going into talks with these teams, even if they can't afford his contract (Dallas and Orlando).

If i trade Johnson, I'm going to want a choice of a few packages. Now, all packages are with teams interested in Johnson, possibly every team mentioned above along with a few others like New York, Phoenix, or hell, even the Clippers.

Package A: We get a premium quality defender/ nice solid rotation player who can play defense (much like Hinrich), but can score fairly effeciently.
Package B: We get a player of equal quality/caliber as Johnson. However, they MUST be either a Shooting Guard or a Small Forward.
or Package C: We dump Johnson for a ton load of draft picks. But we also want to make sure we get a top 3 pick in this years draft and a few more future first rounders. Cap it off with bad contracts or decent players and Atlanta can start somewhat beginning a rebuilding method.


What i personally want is Atlanta to trade BOTH Johnson and Smith. I made a decent trade with Atlanta and Minnesota, with Atlanta getting Nikola Pekovic and Derrick Williams, and Atlanta trading Smith and their First Round Draft Pick. Pekovic gives Atlanta a decent rotation of Centers, with him and Pachulia (if resigned) along with Jason Collins. Williams can play starter at Small Forward for us, or at least try and make the starting rotation, and with Smith going to the Wolves, they can do what they were always meant to do, PLAY SMALL AND BE QUICK. Starting 5 of Rubio, Love, Smith, Beasley, an whatever shooting guard that team can desperately find.

As for Johnson, its going to be hard to move him. Not many teams that can afford him need him, and not many teams who need him can afford him. So i have him staying put.

So, if Atlanta can resign Pachulia, Hinrich, Williams, I. Johnson, and possibly McGrady, you could see this Hawks team back where they started a year ago, albeit somewhat weak in the secondary backcourt.

Hawks Lineup:
C- Pekovic
PF- Horford
SF- D. Williams
SG- J. Johnson
PG- Teague

Secondary:
C- Pachulia
PF- I. Johnson
SF- M. Williams
SG- McGrady
PG- Hinrich

Extra Reseves:
C- Collins
Need Two more. Mainly another PG and a possible combo guard. I elect Pape Sy, the player Atlanta has tried to make the team, although he was a bit young when they started scouting him. I say he makes it on a small salary, and Jannero Pargo gets resigned.

BTW the team i mentioned for Atlanta is somewhat big, and does present matchu[ problems. Especially on that secondary.

QUOTE(#3):

Originally posted 09:16 AM ET  05.13 by Klockwork33

Why would the Hawks trade Joe Johnson for Amare when 1. They already have Al Horford and Josh Smith as forwards and 2. While Joe Johnson is definitely overpaid, at this stage in their careers, he is a better player than Stoudemire? The Knicks could surely use Joe Johnson, but I don't see it happening.

The Knicks have already used their Amnesty clause on Chauncey Billups, The Hawks have yet to use theirs. They could trade for Amare' and Novak and turn right around and Amnesty STAT creating about 20 mill in cap room still with pieces (j. smith) to trade and rebuild.

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Originally posted 06:54 PM ET  05.13 by Mglass3

The Knicks have already used their Amnesty clause on Chauncey Billups, The Hawks have yet to use theirs. They could trade for Amare' and Novak and turn right around and Amnesty STAT creating about 20 mill in cap room still with pieces (j. smith) to trade and rebuild.

That's exact;y what I was thinking.
It's time to rebuild around Al and Teague.

JJ and JSmith have to go.

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Originally posted 08:36 PM ET  05.13 by ESPN

That's exact;y what I was thinking.It's time to rebuild around Al and Teague.JJ and JSmith have to go.

You know nothing about basketball do you? By your thinking they should get rid of two all star caliber players for pretty much nothing and pay aging injury prone former all star 60 million not to play and get exactly what for all that, a few draft picks?

Horford may be an all star but will never be able to carry a team, he's limited offensively. Josh Smith is worth keeping, he just needs to remember he is not a shooting guard. Joe Johnson is overpaid and was never a franchise player but is still a very good player. The hawks need better backup big men, better point guard play better outside shooters and to keep the ball moving. they all dribble the ball until they have to jack up crazy shots with the shot clock running out.

Too Expensive and Too old. Unless they want to take another bad contract no one is biting.

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Originally posted 10:44 PM ET  05.13 by diegomitch84

You know nothing about basketball do you? By your thinking they should get rid of two all star caliber players for pretty much nothing and pay aging injury prone former all star 60 million not to play and get exactly what for all that, a few draft picks?Horford may be an all star but will never be able to carry a team, he's limited offensively. Josh Smith is worth keeping, he just needs to remember he is not a shooting guard. Joe Johnson is overpaid and was never a franchise player but is still a very good player. The hawks need better backup big men, better point guard play better outside shooters and to keep the ball moving. they all dribble the ball until they have to jack up crazy shots with the shot clock running out.

Oh enlighten me Mr. Genius.

How many Hawks games have you watched? Don't be a loud mouth if you don;t follow a team day in and day out!
"Horford may be an all star but will never be able to carry a team" - Al is a team captain, a voice of reason in the locker room. And he's STILL developing as a player. Plays his heart out
"Josh Smith is worth keeping, he just needs to remember he is not a shooting guard." Too late for that. Josh is a bone head, he'll NEVER remember what you want him to. Case in point - the last shot ATL took against the Celts, a fade away ugly looking jumper from Josh. Time for "learning" is over for Josh. he is who he is, a very talented boneheaded immature idiot like JRSMith. Gotta move away from him.
"Joe Johnson is overpaid and was never a franchise player but is still a very good player" No shhyt Mr. Einstein, which is why he needs to be moved IF there is an opportunity, and Knicks MAY be desperate to make that move.

And in all your rant, you haven't said ONE positive thing about the Hawks, which is really proving MY point.
To add to it, wtf is Larry Drew?? Hawks need a REAL coach as well.

Good shooter, but needs to be more aggressive on offense and play tenacious-D.

Get Real! Johnson couldn't guard his shadow on a sunny day! Overate offense, exasperate defense. Consistent for all the wrong reasons.

QUOTE(#11):

Originally posted 06:54 PM ET  05.13 by Mglass3

The Knicks have already used their Amnesty clause on Chauncey Billups, The Hawks have yet to use theirs. They could trade for Amare' and Novak and turn right around and Amnesty STAT creating about 20 mill in cap room still with pieces (j. smith) to trade and rebuild.

You can not trade a player and Amnesty him. You can only Amnesty the players that were on your team under contract before the CBA was signed.

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Originally posted 09:06 AM ET  05.13 by All about the Apple

No, but they do have Stat and the cat Novak to package together in order to attain Johnson. Stat's and Novak's contract would be close to equaling Johnson's, and problem solved two would be..........Johnson actually can guard and create a shot, whereas Novak couldn't.... swell!

no one is trading for stat b/c his contract in uninsurable-too much risk. maybe someone would trade for him in his final year if he's healthy and still effective, but that's about it.

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Originally posted 01:33 PM ET  05.13 by K4Smoltz

I'd definitely NOT do that trade. The Knicks are garbage. Everyone on that team except for Tyson Chandler, Jared Jeffries, Carmelo Anthony, Landry Fields, Jeremy Lin (somewhat), and Iman Shumpert are all either too old, too crappy on defense, or too crappy in general. JR, Baron, Steve, Amar`e, they're all terrible and not worth picking up.If i was the Hawks, the teams that seem desperate to me are Charlotte, Orlando, Brooklyn, Portland, Minnesota, and a Dallas. Atlanta should try going into talks with these teams, even if they can't afford his contract (Dallas and Orlando). If i trade Johnson, I'm going to want a choice of a few packages. Now, all packages are with teams interested in Johnson, possibly every team mentioned above along with a few others like New York, Phoenix, or hell, even the Clippers.Package A: We get a premium quality defender/ nice solid rotation player who can play defense (much like Hinrich), but can score fairly effeciently. Package B: We get a player of equal quality/caliber as Johnson. However, they MUST be either a Shooting Guard or a Small Forward.or Package C: We dump Johnson for a ton load of draft picks. But we also want to make sure we get a top 3 pick in this years draft and a few more future first rounders. Cap it off with bad contracts or decent players and Atlanta can start somewhat beginning a rebuilding method.What i personally want is Atlanta to trade BOTH Johnson and Smith. I made a decent trade with Atlanta and Minnesota, with Atlanta getting Nikola Pekovic and Derrick Williams, and Atlanta trading Smith and their First Round Draft Pick. Pekovic gives Atlanta a decent rotation of Centers, with him and Pachulia (if resigned) along with Jason Collins. Williams can play starter at Small Forward for us, or at least try and make the starting rotation, and with Smith going to the Wolves, they can do what they were always meant to do, PLAY SMALL AND BE QUICK. Starting 5 of Rubio, Love, Smith, Beasley, an whatever shooting guard that team can desperately find.As for Johnson, its going to be hard to move him. Not many teams that can afford him need him, and not many teams who need him can afford him. So i have him staying put.So, if Atlanta can resign Pachulia, Hinrich, Williams, I. Johnson, and possibly McGrady, you could see this Hawks team back where they started a year ago, albeit somewhat weak in the secondary backcourt.Hawks Lineup:C- PekovicPF- HorfordSF- D. WilliamsSG- J. JohnsonPG- TeagueSecondary:C- PachuliaPF- I. JohnsonSF- M. WilliamsSG- McGradyPG- HinrichExtra Reseves:C- CollinsNeed Two more. Mainly another PG and a possible combo guard. I elect Pape Sy, the player Atlanta has tried to make the team, although he was a bit young when they started scouting him. I say he makes it on a small salary, and Jannero Pargo gets resigned.

minnesota definitely not doing that trade.