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11:42 AM ET 06.10 | To call Timothy Bradley's victory over Manny Pacquiao shocking is perhaps the understatement of the year. Let's be clear: Pacquiao got screwed. Bradley, after being clearly dominated for 12 rounds by Pacquiao, somehow managed to emerge with Pacquiao's WBO welterweight belt Saturday night in Las Vegas with an unfathomable split-decision victory that immediately raised questions of a fix. Bradley "won" by 115-113 on two scorecards - the other judge had Pacquiao winning by that score - but it could be argued that Pacquiao won all 12 rounds. Coming into the fight, Pacquiao's mental state, among other things, was questioned, and many people hedged their bets late in the game, too. Picking against Pacquiao became difficult, but people started justifying their thoughts based on his personal life and the changes he's made in the recent past. And now one thing is for sure more than anything else: The biggest fight the sport can make right now is officially off for the time being. And something also feels plenty off with Bradley's win - to the point that this might be more than just a case of poor judging.

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June 10, 2012  12:19 PM ET

If Mayweather wanted an excuse to keep ducking Pacquiao, now he has it.

June 10, 2012  12:21 PM ET

If Mayweather wanted an excuse to continue ducking Pacquiao, now he has it.

June 10, 2012  12:49 PM ET

I watched the whole fight and turned it off after the 12th round ended. I was sure Pacquio beat him 11 rounds to 1. I couldn't believe it when I woke up and saw that they gave it to Bradley. Someone had big money on that fight and made sure that Bradley "won". Follow the money.

June 10, 2012  01:30 PM ET

Just what fight were these judges watching??.. sure as hell wasn't the one in the ring.. this is why boxing is in the state its in

June 10, 2012  02:10 PM ET

I think Bradley deservedly won the fight, and for this reason: he didn't give up. If you look back at the official scorecards, it's easy to see what the judges were looking at: Bradley won some of the early rounds, and I actually thought he did win at least one or two of the rounds before the 4th. Although Pacquiao obviously had more punching effect than Bradley, Bradley was busier than Pacman. He threw more punches, jabbed way more, and the judges could've seen those as solid hits. After the 4th round, when Bradley hurt his ankle, it was obvious that Pacquiao had control of the fight. But here's what happened: Bradley didn't give up. He got a second wind sometime in the 6th round, and starting with the 7th, Bradley more rounds than Pacquiao did. It just goes to show: never give up. Pacquiao thought he could take half of each round off, then land a few good combos, and that would be enough to win. So many fighters do that, and the judges weren't buying it. Pacquiao avoided (very skillfully) crazy exchanges with Bradley, and didn't open up until he could be saved by the bell at the end of each round. the judges didn't go for. They score the entire round, and ended up giving the fight to the person who wanted it more.

Perhaps if Pacquiao felt so confident in this fight, he should've went for the knockout--bc Bradley looked hurt during the 4th. But he chose to ease off the gas peddle. Why didn't Pacman knock Bradley out?

I don't think he could, or else he would have. Power punches are great, but they don't win fights unless you knock the guy out or if it's blatantly one-sided exchanges. Bradley survived everything Pacquiao threw at him, end of story.

Go back and look at the Pacquiao-Clottey fight. Pacquiao could not do much damage to Clottey, and Clottey even had the heaviest and most powerful punches of the fight. But Pacquiao won. The reverse of this happened last night, and in Bradley's favor.

June 10, 2012  02:54 PM ET
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I think Bradley deservedly won the fight, and for this reason: he didn't give up. If you look back at the official scorecards, it's easy to see what the judges were looking at: Bradley won some of the early rounds, and I actually thought he did win at least one or two of the rounds before the 4th. Although Pacquiao obviously had more punching effect than Bradley, Bradley was busier than Pacman. He threw more punches, jabbed way more, and the judges could've seen those as solid hits. After the 4th round, when Bradley hurt his ankle, it was obvious that Pacquiao had control of the fight. But here's what happened: Bradley didn't give up. He got a second wind sometime in the 6th round, and starting with the 7th, Bradley more rounds than Pacquiao did. It just goes to show: never give up. Pacquiao thought he could take half of each round off, then land a few good combos, and that would be enough to win. So many fighters do that, and the judges weren't buying it. Pacquiao avoided (very skillfully) crazy exchanges with Bradley, and didn't open up until he could be saved by the bell at the end of each round. the judges didn't go for. They score the entire round, and ended up giving the fight to the person who wanted it more. Perhaps if Pacquiao felt so confident in this fight, he should've went for the knockout--bc Bradley looked hurt during the 4th. But he chose to ease off the gas peddle. Why didn't Pacman knock Bradley out? I don't think he could, or else he would have. Power punches are great, but they don't win fights unless you knock the guy out or if it's blatantly one-sided exchanges. Bradley survived everything Pacquiao threw at him, end of story. Go back and look at the Pacquiao-Clottey fight. Pacquiao could not do much damage to Clottey, and Clottey even had the heaviest and most powerful punches of the fight. But Pacquiao won. The reverse of this happened last night, and in Bradley's favor.

The stats support the outrage. According to Compubox stats, Pacquiao landed 253 of 751 punches thrown, a 34% connection rate. Bradley threw more punches and landed fewer, 159 or 839 for a 19% connect rate. Did the judges somehow count off number of punches thrown and think it constituted a win for Bradley? Pacquiao landed 190 power punches to 108 for Bradley, a tighter percentage of 39% to 28% landed. Maybe you need to see your optometrist

June 10, 2012  03:06 PM ET

To beat a champion, you have to win CONVINCINGLY, Bradley did not even do that. Who cares if he did not give up! This is not how it works. I feel for boxers, Bradley got robbed as well. You cannot truly enjoy that "win" ever, enjoy a lifetime of fans smirking as you walk by. Time for boxing (as it is) to go away, it is broken beyond all repair. It is worse than the WWE, at least we know there is no attempt at reality. Never has a sport worked so hard to destroy itself for so long. As lifelong fan, and amateur participant(long ago), my long eroding interest has reached it's end.
Boxing is like that drug addict friend who begs to get back in your good graces, only to steal you **** later the same day, and must be treated as such. So goodbye boxing, I'd like to say "It's been fun", but mostly it has just been crappy. I will get my fix solely from we watching Haggler/Hearns/Sugar Ray et al. on youtube.

Yours,
Adam Wood

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June 10, 2012  04:11 PM ET

To cmlpf27- Bob Arum commented on something Bradley told him after the fight and prior to the scores being given:" I tried my best but I couldn't beat him." When you look at the stats it's also clear that Pacman won based on connect percentage as well as punches landed. Even my wife who was rooting for Bradley and hates to admit when she loses was shocked at how boldly those judges cheated Pacman out of an obvious victory. I'm with Conchbeard on this, I can no longer justify paying for these fights only to be cheated out of my money. When you have seasoned analysts and commentators like Teddy Atlas and Max Kellerman and Harold Lederman along with all of the sports columnists sitting ringside calling the fight for Pacman how can you sit there and try to justify Bradley getting a win merely because he didn't give up? And Clottey??? I don't know where you got that comparison from but it sounds like you'd be a successful Las Vegas boxing judge. :)

June 10, 2012  05:04 PM ET
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I think Bradley deservedly won the fight, and for this reason: he didn't give up. If you look back at the official scorecards, it's easy to see what the judges were looking at: Bradley won some of the early rounds, and I actually thought he did win at least one or two of the rounds before the 4th. Although Pacquiao obviously had more punching effect than Bradley, Bradley was busier than Pacman. He threw more punches, jabbed way more, and the judges could've seen those as solid hits. After the 4th round, when Bradley hurt his ankle, it was obvious that Pacquiao had control of the fight. But here's what happened: Bradley didn't give up. He got a second wind sometime in the 6th round, and starting with the 7th, Bradley more rounds than Pacquiao did. It just goes to show: never give up. Pacquiao thought he could take half of each round off, then land a few good combos, and that would be enough to win. So many fighters do that, and the judges weren't buying it. Pacquiao avoided (very skillfully) crazy exchanges with Bradley, and didn't open up until he could be saved by the bell at the end of each round. the judges didn't go for. They score the entire round, and ended up giving the fight to the person who wanted it more. Perhaps if Pacquiao felt so confident in this fight, he should've went for the knockout--bc Bradley looked hurt during the 4th. But he chose to ease off the gas peddle. Why didn't Pacman knock Bradley out? I don't think he could, or else he would have. Power punches are great, but they don't win fights unless you knock the guy out or if it's blatantly one-sided exchanges. Bradley survived everything Pacquiao threw at him, end of story. Go back and look at the Pacquiao-Clottey fight. Pacquiao could not do much damage to Clottey, and Clottey even had the heaviest and most powerful punches of the fight. But Pacquiao won. The reverse of this happened last night, and in Bradley's favor.

I hear they're remaking Rocky 1, with Rocky winning the fight against Apollo Creed because the judges saw he never gave up and appreciated the effort. That way, with Rocky 2, they can focus more on Rocky Balboa's secret life as a mafia hitman/demolitions expert. Michael Bay is set to write, produce, and direct both.

June 10, 2012  08:09 PM ET
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It has to be fixed or the judges are just too dumb to see who was really winning each round and the fight. Are they really real boxing judges? What in the world were they watching? Will the public get to see the judges' scoring and will they talk to the public and explain how they scored the fight? The boxing commission needs to make these judges liable. Or are the boxing commissions the ones that are also corrupt?

I would go further than that. I am prepared to offer for thoughtful consideration that someone or individuals behind closed doors in a deliberate exercise of collusion and premeditation decided who was going to win and if the boxers couldn't be persuaded than the judges would be. There is no possible way that properly applying the standard of scoring that Manny lost. Still one of the judges poorly scored the bout in such a way that Manny barely won on his card. This is one of the most egregious actions I have ever seen in 50 years of watching and observing fights from the greatest to the worst!! People may not like this, but, this Congress and the next one needs to intervene into the sport itself. The sport of boxing has become a stench in peoples noses where people are making it a joke in barroom conversation and around office cooler jokes. Bob Arum needs to step aside and Richard Schaeffer needs to give it up. They don't care about their boxers. All they care about is the money they make and how they can make more. No one cares about the average boxer who doesn't make it and is forced to quit because they don't have the money, the medical care or a retirement to support them or their family. Who benefited most from this fight? It wasn't Manny. Bradley got a title, but, he didn't earn it. Question everyone who watched this fight!! Who won? Bob Arum. Whatever you think about Floyd Mayweather as a person or a boxer is irrelevant. He was right. People like Bob Arum and Richard Schaeffer have gotten too big for this sport. It has become a monopoly run by two people who decides, when, where, who, how and for how much. If you don't like it.... you are out!! And you will never get a title shot. So you shut your mouth and do your work. That is a sad state of affairs when honest boxers can't make it, the ones who have made it have to listen to their promoters or they won't get another fight and the hard working average boxers who make up the backbone of this professions have been forgotten: They have been chewed up, swallowed and spit back up and out because their usefulness is gone. This has got to stop. Judging needs to be cleaned up and standards need to be applied and enforced. This fight needs to be declared a no-contest, sanctioned the judges and order a new fight within 6 months. Otherwise, the boxing commission or any comission is nothing but a sham and a sounding board for the likes of Mr Schaeffer and/or Mr Arum. It doesn't matter who. Take your pick.

June 10, 2012  08:22 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

I think Bradley deservedly won the fight, and for this reason: he didn't give up. If you look back at the official scorecards, it's easy to see what the judges were looking at: Bradley won some of the early rounds, and I actually thought he did win at least one or two of the rounds before the 4th. Although Pacquiao obviously had more punching effect than Bradley, Bradley was busier than Pacman. He threw more punches, jabbed way more, and the judges could've seen those as solid hits. After the 4th round, when Bradley hurt his ankle, it was obvious that Pacquiao had control of the fight. But here's what happened: Bradley didn't give up. He got a second wind sometime in the 6th round, and starting with the 7th, Bradley more rounds than Pacquiao did. It just goes to show: never give up. Pacquiao thought he could take half of each round off, then land a few good combos, and that would be enough to win. So many fighters do that, and the judges weren't buying it. Pacquiao avoided (very skillfully) crazy exchanges with Bradley, and didn't open up until he could be saved by the bell at the end of each round. the judges didn't go for. They score the entire round, and ended up giving the fight to the person who wanted it more. Perhaps if Pacquiao felt so confident in this fight, he should've went for the knockout--bc Bradley looked hurt during the 4th. But he chose to ease off the gas peddle. Why didn't Pacman knock Bradley out? I don't think he could, or else he would have. Power punches are great, but they don't win fights unless you knock the guy out or if it's blatantly one-sided exchanges. Bradley survived everything Pacquiao threw at him, end of story. Go back and look at the Pacquiao-Clottey fight. Pacquiao could not do much damage to Clottey, and Clottey even had the heaviest and most powerful punches of the fight. But Pacquiao won. The reverse of this happened last night, and in Bradley's favor.

You're wrong, simple as that. Either the judges were incompetent or the money people decided Pacman wasn't going to deliver the pay days they wanted so they shafted him hoping he would retire.

June 10, 2012  08:57 PM ET

The only way to surely win a fight is to knock the other guy out--it's that simple. Pacquiao should've done that, and instead, he opted to try and cruise to an easy victory and hope his early lead would carry through the fight and he would simply win each round by fighting in the last 30 seconds. Boxing doesn't work like that--especially when we are talking about judges who are trying to score a fight based on some certain system. When i said Bradley fought harder, had more hard, and didn't quit, I mean Bradley didn't let up. Between rounds 3-6, I'd say, he was off and Pacquiao was punishing him. Pacman won all of those rounds--and by a big margin. However, when it comes to scoring fights, those were only 10-9 10-9 10-9 rounds. They were incredibly lopsided for them to be scored 10-8 or anything. The judges who scored the fight were all very experienced judges--they didn't go for what Pacquiao was doing. In Nevada the judges generally score based on who is more aggressive and who is initiating more contact. For them it was Bradley in a lot of rounds. Personally, I was impressed that Bradley was able to hold up his chin, move and slip as well as he did on a bad ankle, and stay competitive throughout the fight. I even thought he won many of the final rounds (as did the judges).

Obviously Pacquiao thought he was ahead and could just coast to the victory, but as it turned out, the judges didn't see it that way and unfortunately Pacquiao lost that gamble. Even Freddie Roach admitted Pacquiao gave a few rounds away. You don't do that in a fight, in a boxing match, or in any sport--even if you are the champion. Generally fighters go into a fight with the mentality that they will knock the other fighter out--in this fight I'm not sure Pacquiao sought that out as much. There were rounds when he dominated--flat out--but then there many close rounds that could've gone either way. I think Bradley was probably disappointed in himself (from what Bob Arum was saying) because he couldn't knock Pacquiao out. Bradley connected with a few good shots and Pacquiao ate them up--thats why they call him pacman, his chin is superb.

Although I was surprised Pacquiao lost (by the fights end I thought Bradley lost by a few rounds), in retrospect I'm not very surprised. Bradley fought a good fight too, and we should give him credit and stop saying that this fight was rigged.

If I'm Freddie Roach, I'm telling Pacquiao to fight harder next time. It's a 36 min fight, 12 rounds of 3 minutes--I'm telling Pacquiao he has to actually fight all of those minutes if he expects to win.

June 10, 2012  09:54 PM ET

Fix! Fix! Fix! Fix! Fix! Fix! Fix! Boxing only continues to be relative as long as HBO, ESPN, or someother network picks it up. This should be the end for boxing. HBO should drop boxing and pick up MMA. This is the next logical step for Dana white and MMA. Boxing may have given us great champions, but the last 20 years has been a farse! Leave boxing for the versus network or USA.

June 10, 2012  09:59 PM ET

That was "Fat Tony's" decision!! Vegas wants a rematch. Arum thought Bradley lost. Bradley thought he lost. Yeah, they knew PacMan had the clause 4 rematches.

June 10, 2012  10:02 PM ET

to cmlfp27-Bradley was hittin ARMS!!!! He knew he wasnt makin real hits. That's the only reason the count was kinda close. People had it 8-4, 9-3 and 11-1.

June 11, 2012  12:25 AM ET

Bottom line is Manny should be given his belt back....Period! Bradley shouldn't even accept that belt as a man because he didn't win it.

 
June 11, 2012  03:28 AM ET

Boxing has become a "giggle" sport like "professional" wrestling.

Decisions are based on how much money a certain rematch will make or what bets have been placed.

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