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08:05 AM ET 06.27 | As the draft nears and GMs begin to assess the risks of taking a player with a knock or two on his game, there are players on the board who just might get one of them fired -- and one name comes up more often than most: Andre Drummond. Perry Jones name often surfaced in this discussion during the season, but now that his stock has slipped toward the latter end of the lottery, he is turning into a solid risk. Drummond, on the other hand, has tremendous upside because of his athletic ability, but the question will be if he consistently applies himself at the professional level. It's not a matter of character for Drummond, as he isn't a team disturbance, but it will be whether he finds the key to unlock his potential.

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June 27, 2012  09:22 AM ET
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Cousins, Howard, Lebron, Melo, CP3, DWill, Rondo

Huh??

June 27, 2012  09:27 AM ET
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Huh??

Players most likely to get a GM fired

June 27, 2012  09:39 AM ET

I'd be willing to take a chance on Drummond, the center situation in the league is awful right now. With his size/athleticism combo he could become a force but even if he turns out to be Deandre Jordan that's still starting caliber. Not to mention that if you can get just 10 and 10 a night that's near all-star caliber at the position

June 27, 2012  09:53 AM ET

Great Reward Requires Great Risk, Bros.

June 27, 2012  10:01 AM ET

I think Drummond will be fine as long as he got someone around to push him. It would be tough to pass on his talents based off of one year at UCONN.

June 27, 2012  10:11 AM ET
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Great Reward Requires Great Risk, Bros.

Thats exactly what the Panthers said when drafting Cam Newton #1 last year...diff sport, I know but the theory still applies. I'd rather swing big and miss big..

June 27, 2012  10:11 AM ET

Harrison Barnes. He can't drive, he can't create his own shot, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't play defense, and he doesn't pass. People say he's a shooter, but he made only 42.3% of his field goals last season. 42.3%!!! As a Carolina fan I couldn't be happier that he's finally gone, and yet I'm terrified that the Bobcats will be stupid enough to choose him.

June 27, 2012  10:19 AM ET
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Harrison Barnes. He can't drive, he can't create his own shot, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't play defense, and he doesn't pass. People say he's a shooter, but he made only 42.3% of his field goals last season. 42.3%!!! As a Carolina fan I couldn't be happier that he's finally gone, and yet I'm terrified that the Bobcats will be stupid enough to choose him.

I think you just had way too high of expectations for the kid, he still averaged 17ppg and 5rpg so it isn't like he's awful. I foresee him becoming a Danny Granger type player in the nba

June 27, 2012  10:23 AM ET
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Harrison Barnes. He can't drive, he can't create his own shot, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't play defense, and he doesn't pass. People say he's a shooter, but he made only 42.3% of his field goals last season. 42.3%!!! As a Carolina fan I couldn't be happier that he's finally gone, and yet I'm terrified that the Bobcats will be stupid enough to choose him.

JD: I totally agree. I am a DIE HARD Heel fan...always have been since I was a little kid. It was cool having Barnes on our team but you always wondered WHICH Barnes was going to show up each night. The one who could drop 40 on you like he did @ Clemson or the one who will go 3 for 11 and give you 10 points, 3 rebounds and 5 turnovers. He does have great potential...and being a true Heel fan, I have to pull for our man Jordan to succeed in Charlotte. But I really hope he passes on Barnes...really do. I think it could potentially scar Jordan's post-player legacy in the NBA for the future. If he wants to go UNC, I would rather him pick Zeller! I think Z is a safer pick than Barnes.

June 27, 2012  10:28 AM ET
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I think you just had way too high of expectations for the kid, he still averaged 17ppg and 5rpg so it isn't like he's awful. I foresee him becoming a Danny Granger type player in the nba

Harrison Barnes averaged 17.1 points because he took 111 more shots than anyone else on the team, even though he shot a far lower percentage than Zeller or Henson. Granger at New Mexico shot 52.4% overall and 43.3% from 3, while also having much higher averages in rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals. Barnes cannot compare to Granger. Barnes can't do anything besides shoot jumpers and he was below average at those in college.

June 27, 2012  10:52 AM ET
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Harrison Barnes averaged 17.1 points because he took 111 more shots than anyone else on the team, even though he shot a far lower percentage than Zeller or Henson. Granger at New Mexico shot 52.4% overall and 43.3% from 3, while also having much higher averages in rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals. Barnes cannot compare to Granger. Barnes can't do anything besides shoot jumpers and he was below average at those in college.

I see your argument but it has holes. You may end up right, but I still see Barnes having that type of career
1. Granger only played his junior/Sr seasons at New Mexico so of course by then he was shooting better. He started college as a 17% 3pt shooter and shot in the 30's percentage wise until his sr. yr. So pretty comparable. Yes he had a better fg %, he also played lesser competition.
2. Yes of course Granger had better all around numbers, he didn't play with anyone. Barnes grabbed less rebounds, he also played with two lottery pick big men so I'd hope he wasn't needed on the boards as much as granger. As sophs they actually both average 1.1 assist per game, and Granger wasn't playing alongside the ACC record setting assist man to set people up.

I think Barnes is the ultimate role player, and he played that role solidly enough at UNC and will continue to do so in the NBA. Expect him to carry your team? NO that isn't going to happen. Put him in a system where he can do what he does best (this is how good teams win year after year) and he'll be just fine.

June 27, 2012  11:17 AM ET
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...I think Barnes is the ultimate role player, and he played that role solidly enough at UNC and will continue to do so in the NBA. Expect him to carry your team? NO that isn't going to happen. Put him in a system where he can do what he does best (this is how good teams win year after year) and he'll be just fine.

I'm not so sure that - the ultimate role player - is what you should be looking for when you're picking in the lottery (especially not the top 5).

June 27, 2012  11:30 AM ET
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I'm not so sure that - the ultimate role player - is what you should be looking for when you're picking in the lottery (especially not the top 5).

Yeah but the thing is there are no sure things in the lottery no matter where you pick. This is a year you hope to get a kid that can produce and be starting after 2-3 years or in the rotation off the bench and call it a win. I see very few all-star quality players in this draft or can't miss talent that was shown in college. If Barnes can turn into a Deng-like player or Granger-like player then it is a win. My opinion is the team that drafts one of these bigs late or in the middle of the first round and it works will be the real winners. Drummond, Zeller, Leonard etc one will pay off, which one is anyones guess

June 27, 2012  11:31 AM ET

barnes is more ryan gomes, NOT danny granger. Not even close. He's the most overhyped player in this draft. Rivers is second. Rivers cant play defense...(check Lehigh game in tourney). He might score....so does marcus thornton. He's the poor man's monta ellis in a sense. MKG is the elite small forward....but Id rather roll the dice with a terrence ross than barnes, and with Dion Waiters before Rivers. But Drummond is in a class by himself --- WHAT has he done? I can list you ten guys who were busts that had big wingpsans and were tall. First you have to know how to play. Draft Tyler Zeller......reliable, 15 a night, 8 boards, and he plays some D.

June 27, 2012  11:33 AM ET
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Harrison Barnes. He can't drive, he can't create his own shot, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't play defense, and he doesn't pass. People say he's a shooter, but he made only 42.3% of his field goals last season. 42.3%!!! As a Carolina fan I couldn't be happier that he's finally gone, and yet I'm terrified that the Bobcats will be stupid enough to choose him.

With players jumping after one year it becomes very difficult to judge a players career in the NBA on one year in college. I remember when Corey Maggette left duke after his freshman year thinking that he was going to be terrible in the NBA. He didn't start at Duke, and only average 10 ppg. He's had a pretty good, albeit not outstanding, career.

June 27, 2012  11:36 AM ET

Barnes is more ryan gomes than Granger....he's not even close to Granger. He and Rivers are the hype machine prospects. Rivers is marcus thornton....(watch him try to guard McCollum in that lehigh game). But drummond is off the chart. WHY would you draft him? Because he's big? Because he has long arms? I can list you give big guys who were busts and they all had more of a productive career in college than Blatche....er.....i mean Drummond.

June 27, 2012  11:51 AM ET
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I think Barnes is the ultimate role player, and he played that role solidly enough at UNC and will continue to do so in the NBA. Expect him to carry your team? NO that isn't going to happen. Put him in a system where he can do what he does best (this is how good teams win year after year) and he'll be just fine.

You clearly didn't even watch Barnes at UNC. He was the opposite of a role player. He was ball-hogging black hole in the offense who didn't do any of the little things that make good players great. He looks like he should be a good player so people keep deluding themselves into thinking he will be. I'm a lifelong Carolina fan who is thrilled that Barnes is gone. What does that tell you? Again, not only is the guy a below average shooter, but he was a below average rebounder, a liability on defense, and almost never passed the ball. He's terrible.

June 27, 2012  12:10 PM ET

Barnes will be a bust.
He's one of those great work-out guys, but when he gets in the games its not there.
I don't like guys that can't post up smaller guys and can't drive by slower defenders.
He reminds me of a smaller Earl Clark who is barely getting minutes from the Magic last time I checked.

 
June 27, 2012  12:12 PM ET

Actually another UNC bust, Marvin Williams, is a better comparison.
Ask the Hawks how thats working out.

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