Sources: NHL wants big union concessions

Kings might get to be the defending champs for a very long time without having to defend it with these knuckleheads trying to do a deal

Sources: NHL wants big union concessions.

Sources: NHLPA wants big NHL concessions. They want to sell their own popcorn, beer and hot dogs!

#1. The League better get this done - cause as a Hockey Fan, I'm still remembering 2004.
#2. Five-year term limit on all contracts? Wasn't it the Teams (owners) that used these to get around the Cap (which they also put in place)?


All I want is another Amnesty provision... So my Isles can rid themselves of Rickety.

From 57 to 46%. Resulting in a 22% roll back of current salaries. No arbitration. 5 yr contract limit, 10 yrs being in the league before UFA and 5 yr entry level contract. I understand this is a first salvo in a contract negotiation, but was their really a point to this? Is the PA going to ask for 75%, and no roll back and arbitration every year and UFA status after 2 years being in the league.
Wonder at what point did Fehr stop laughing at this, was it before he tripped off the dwarff or after

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Originally posted 11:46 AM ET  07.14 by Nard Dog

From 57 to 46%. Resulting in a 22% roll back of current salaries. No arbitration. 5 yr contract limit, 10 yrs being in the league before UFA and 5 yr entry level contract. I understand this is a first salvo in a contract negotiation, but was their really a point to this? Is the PA going to ask for 75%, and no roll back and arbitration every year and UFA status after 2 years being in the league.Wonder at what point did Fehr stop laughing at this, was it before he tripped off the dwarff or after

It appears counterproductive, to say the least. IMO salary rollbacks is a nonstarter for the PA, and it shouldn't be. Revenues are at an all-time high, they rolled back in 05, and the ONLY reason any owners are losing money is because they are playing in non-hockey markets, and the best case scenario here is that the PA demands these teams be moved, or not be considered during collective bargaining. This time, Bettman is going to be the unequivocal loser in these negotiations, and, dare I say, made to pay for his incompetence??!!

these are the same guys that were throwing 100 million dollar contracts to Suter, right? Are they for serious? They throw cash around like drunken sailors and then its supposed to be the players fault?

They got the players to cave the first time around because on a certain level it made sense and most journalists + fans sided with the owners. There's absolutely no chance that this will happen again. I would pin the ownership's chances of winning a PR battle somewhere between zero and none.

I don't think that there will be a work stoppage because I am convinced that the owners can't possibly be THAT thick...but I've been wrong before. All I know is that if they miss a single game because of mutual greed then I won't be tuning in anymore.

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Originally posted 11:49 AM ET  07.14 by dannylimes

It appears counterproductive, to say the least. IMO salary rollbacks is a nonstarter for the PA, and it shouldn't be. Revenues are at an all-time high, they rolled back in 05, and the ONLY reason any owners are losing money is because they are playing in non-hockey markets, and the best case scenario here is that the PA demands these teams be moved, or not be considered during collective bargaining. This time, Bettman is going to be the unequivocal loser in these negotiations, and, dare I say, made to pay for his incompetence??!!

danny, my kindred soul. you take my breath away.

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Originally posted 11:27 AM ET  07.14 by TheBone

#2. Five-year term limit on all contracts? Wasn't it the Teams (owners) that used these to get around the Cap (which they also put in place)?All I want is another Amnesty provision... So my Isles can rid themselves of Rickety.

point 2 is exactly what I've been saying since the start. Even with GOMEZ on my roster I am completely against amnesty. If the teams want to throw out stupid contracts then it should hurt them against the cap when the player doesn't work out as expected. This alone should be enough to keep them a bit more conservative (obviously I'm wrong). On top of it all, if the owners have the insane cash to pay out the amnesty, then I don't htink that they should be in the position to cry foul about wanting rollbacks. If you've got 40 million lying around to pay some bum to stay home, then why should the other players that provide actually accept a diminished salary. Makes zero sense on any level you look at it.

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Originally posted 09:14 AM ET  07.14 by drysdale

Kings might get to be the defending champs for a very long time without having to defend it with these knuckleheads trying to do a deal

if drew doughty's being locked out perhaps the kings could track down Brad Doty to play as a replacement player (drysdale, please tell me you got this one!)...

It's going to be a long, long, long offseason.

Can anyone say "lock out"......the owners in this league are a joke...they throw money around like drunken sailors on on marquee players and expect the rest of the players to play for chicken feed......this negotiation will take a long time....."lock out ....here we come".....

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Originally posted 12:54 PM ET  07.14 by THE BISHOP!

It's going to be a long, long, long offseason.

I don't care how long the offseason is as long as we have hockey come October.

Did you expect anything different this is the starting point it won't be anywhere near this

they'll knock a few % points (3-4) they'll add a year to FA's and as the carrot they will add 2 expansion teams

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Originally posted 11:46 AM ET  07.14 by Nard Dog

From 57 to 46%. Resulting in a 22% roll back

sounds like Wal Mart

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Originally posted 11:27 AM ET  07.14 by TheBone

#1. The League better get this done - cause as a Hockey Fan, I'm still remembering 2004.#2. Five-year term limit on all contracts? Wasn't it the Teams (owners) that used these to get around the Cap (which they also put in place)?All I want is another Amnesty provision... So my Isles can rid themselves of Rickety.

All good except the part about Rickety....

He signed a huge contract and instead of hangin them up as he should like any other professional does when they cannot perform, he continues to help keep that team down below.

Even Hasek wouldn't take money from the Wings when he decided to stop, and he certainly could have. He said something to the effect that why should I get paid for doing nothing??? I agree! You sucked enough blood Rickety, and are with the owners daughter last I heard.....so......QUIT! YER DONE!!!

Now back to the Leafs roster ;-)

I really hope that a lock-out can be avoided. This is getting ridiculous.

It seems that people are getting even more greedy, or I am looking at it wrong.

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Originally posted 11:49 AM ET  07.14 by dannylimes

It appears counterproductive, to say the least. IMO salary rollbacks is a nonstarter for the PA, and it shouldn't be. Revenues are at an all-time high, they rolled back in 05, and the ONLY reason any owners are losing money is because they are playing in non-hockey markets, and the best case scenario here is that the PA demands these teams be moved, or not be considered during collective bargaining. This time, Bettman is going to be the unequivocal loser in these negotiations, and, dare I say, made to pay for his incompetence??!!

Lets hope so, but without a lock-out.... I just love my hockey!

Looks like I better consider season tix for the new Denver CHL team....

With Fehr in control now there is no doubt lockout is coming. I just hope the owners and players realize that hockey is back on the right track with its national tv deal and if they do hold out the game and their fans will suffer.