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The man behind Boston's decline

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08:17 AM ET 08.02 | For the better part of a year, the Red Sox have proven little on the field. If a fish rots from the head down, which I assure you it does, the root of the Red Sox' recent problems is clear. That does not in any way exonerate the players. ... That's on them, but let's look at what the man who, according to Henry, "runs the Red Sox" has wrought. [Larry Lucchino] has made his boss tons of money by selling everything that isn't tied down and some things that soon will be (bricks at $75 a pop). He's remodeled a ballpark the old owners said couldn't be and turned it into an engine of revenue like few others in sports. He knows how to make money. What he doesn't know how to do is build a winning baseball organization.

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August 2, 2012  08:20 AM ET

They are looking like the 1990's version of the Sox.

August 2, 2012  08:21 AM ET

I want to know what Clem thinks.................

August 2, 2012  08:22 AM ET

OK, but don't the players have some responsibility here. And injuries do matter. There is enough blame to go around and enough talent and time and a two wild card scenario that I am not willing to write off the Red Sox just yet.
The valentine decision was a desperate move and doomed to failure, but even teams with miscast managers win in the short term.

August 2, 2012  08:35 AM ET

So when they are winning the owners are doing a great job but when they're losing it's all their fault? The Boston media which is some of the countries worst always look for a scape goat somewhere. Their problem is they just blame whoever is available at the time. It's still all on the players. The media is funny, you would think the Sox have been in dead last place for the past 3 years instead of in the thick of it every year. No team wins a world series every single year, not even the Yankees.

August 2, 2012  08:36 AM ET
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OK, but don't the players have some responsibility here. And injuries do matter. There is enough blame to go around and enough talent and time and a two wild card scenario that I am not willing to write off the Red Sox just yet.The valentine decision was a desperate move and doomed to failure, but even teams with miscast managers win in the short term.

The Valentine move wasn't desperate at all. There wasn't a whole lot of great names available out there at the time he was hired.

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August 2, 2012  08:42 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

The Valentine move wasn't desperate at all. There wasn't a whole lot of great names available out there at the time he was hired.

Dale Sveum

August 2, 2012  08:46 AM ET
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Dale Sveum

He's managed 115 games in the majors over 2 seasons. Maybe the Sox didn't concider his to be a good fit.

August 2, 2012  08:47 AM ET
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True, they do make the playoffs every year though..

Since the mid 90's they have been consistant but before then they had hard times so all teams do go through it.

August 2, 2012  08:48 AM ET
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The media is funny, you would think the Sox have been in dead last place for the past 3 years instead of in the thick of it every year. No team wins a world series every single year, not even the Yankees.

That's true, but I do enjoy pointing out that the Rays, with a fraction of the Red Sox's payroll, has won the AL East more in the last five years than the Red Sox have in the last fifteen.

The Red Sox are a wild card team.

August 2, 2012  08:49 AM ET
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The Valentine move wasn't desperate at all. There wasn't a whole lot of great names available out there at the time he was hired.

Isn't it a lack of options that defines a desperate situation?

August 2, 2012  08:51 AM ET

Well, whether it is Lucchino or Cherington who calls the shots, they did address some of the teams problems. Papelbon walked, so they traded Reddick to the A's for a closer who promptly was injured. That isn't the GMs fault. They gave away their starting shortstop and the backup to go with Aviles--that was probably a salary cap and age decision--I'll give them a pass on that, because Aviles looked like he would do about as well as the older, more expensive guys.

But the team's chief problem with starting pitching, and they lost Lackey for the year to Tommy John surgery to make matters worse...and they did nothing to address that.

But if Crawford and Ellsbury had been healthy this year, and the bullpen had been healthy, Boston might have scored enough runs that the starting pitching woes would be drowned out. so overall Boston's management gets a low but passing grade--say a D+ or C-.

August 2, 2012  08:53 AM ET

Another horesecrap thread about North Flushing.......It seems no one in Beantown is happy unless they are complaining about something.....

August 2, 2012  08:54 AM ET

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August 2, 2012  08:56 AM ET
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That's true, but I do enjoy pointing out that the Rays, with a fraction of the Red Sox's payroll, has won the AL East more in the last five years than the Red Sox have in the last fifteen.The Red Sox are a wild card team.

Your'e right about both the Rays and Red Sox but in the Rays case what did winning those 2 division titles get them? A wider fan base? World series rings? They can't even afford a bigger payroll despite winning the division which is pretty sad.

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August 2, 2012  08:57 AM ET
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Since the mid 90's they have been consistant but before then they had hard times so all teams do go through it.

I don't know why Red Sox fans try to compare the Red Sox to the Yankees.

The Yankees have made sixteen of the last seventeen playoffs. That's as many playoff appearances for the Yankees since 1995 as the Red Sox have had since 1918.

August 2, 2012  08:58 AM ET
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Oh no doubt, but when your payroll is 146 million + you should not be fighting for a wildcard spot with teams with payrolls in the likes of 49 mil (Oakland) 65 mil (Tampa) and 80 mil (Baltimore).

A bigger payroll only gives you the chance to bring in supposed better players but they still have to perform. The Yankees once had a $225 million dollar payroll and didn't make the playoffs. Too bad the Sox and other teams didn't see that, but the media and fans want teams to spend and the teams that can usually do.

 
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