Details emerge on league's latest CBA offer

I read in the paper this am (NY Daily News) that The Dwarf said the new prop made moves toward the player's side.....

At least they've come up from 47%. Now let's see if the players can use this to make progress. Still think that revenue sharing is going to be the sticking point that leads to a lockout, tho. As long as the owners want the players to cover the bill for revenue sharing, a deal isn't going to get done.

The no contract rollback thing was genius Gary. Now the players use it as a concession and you still get what you want.

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Originally posted 08:51 AM ET  08.29 by Nobody expects Phantomphan MMT

At least they've come up from 47%. Now let's see if the players can use this to make progress. Still think that revenue sharing is going to be the sticking point that leads to a lockout, tho. As long as the owners want the players to cover the bill for revenue sharing, a deal isn't going to get done.

you would think that with a lock out looming, compromise and common sense would prevail......as a fan, we all loose....no pay checks for players....no attendance for owners...and eventually, fewer fans coming back.......have they completely forgotten the LOST SEASON a few years back........

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Originally posted 09:05 AM ET  08.29 by Othello

you would think that with a lock out looming, compromise and common sense would prevail......as a fan, we all loose....no pay checks for players....no attendance for owners...and eventually, fewer fans coming back.......have they completely forgotten the LOST SEASON a few years back........

Because compromise and common sense are dirty words today, so don't count on that.

And, the fans will come back. Both sides have taken note that revenue soared after the last lockout so they don't fear it. They know most fans are sheep and will be back, even as ticket prices are raised.

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Originally posted 09:05 AM ET  08.29 by Othello

you would think that with a lock out looming, compromise and common sense would prevail......as a fan, we all loose....no pay checks for players....no attendance for owners...and eventually, fewer fans coming back.......have they completely forgotten the LOST SEASON a few years back........

they have the attention span (and memory) of a fruit fly

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Originally posted 09:12 AM ET  08.29 by Spiny Norman

they have the attention span (and memory) of a fruit fly

Can you explain the difference between icing and frosting to me again.

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Originally posted 09:21 AM ET  08.29 by Canuck eh?

Can you explain the difference between icing and frosting to me again.

frosting is the sweet stuff on top of a cake
Icing is when the puck is shot in from your side of the centre line over the end line

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Originally posted 09:27 AM ET  08.29 by Spiny Norman

frosting is the sweet stuff on top of a cakeIcing is when the puck is shot in from your side of the centre line over the end line

pardon me...blue line

Actually it looks like they are getting closer on points. The problem with revenue sharing is the haves don't want it and the have nots do. How are the owners going to negotiate with the players on it when they don't agree among themselves?

Fehr vs Bettman is all I need to say. There will be a lockout because these 2 idiots never look at the 'good' of their sport in the longrun, just look at short-term gains for their side.

Donald Fehr essentially created the Steroid Era in MLB along with Bud Selig by cancelling the World Series in 1994 and turning off the whole fanbase. The only way people came back was the 1998 HR chase between Sosa and McGwire, which the owners, and MLBPA along with the players all looked the other way that all the players were juicing. Now were are left with records that are tainted, a Hall of Fame Ballot every year that no one know how to vote on because they are trying to figure out who was juicing and who wasn't, and the suspicion of EVERY baseball player that has a great year now because they never addressed the problem in the 1990's.

Bettman is just as guilty as this could be his 3rd lockout, which means he is trying to fix the mess that HE created in 2004-05 lockout that was trying to fix the mess he created in the 1994-95 lockout! At what point does an owner question this guy that he can't look at where the sport will be in 5 years and realizing that one of these years when they lock out the players, the fans wont come back.

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Originally posted 09:36 AM ET  08.29 by Burgh-Fan

Actually it looks like they are getting closer on points. The problem with revenue sharing is the haves don't want it and the have nots do. How are the owners going to negotiate with the players on it when they don't agree among themselves?

Here is the real problem. The owners need to decide, either they have revenue sharing or they don't. This halfway attempt at it is a big part of the problem.

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Originally posted 09:21 AM ET  08.29 by Canuck eh?

Can you explain the difference between icing and frosting to me again.

icing is what happens to the sidewalk in winter , frosting is what insecure metrosexual men do to their hair

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Originally posted 09:41 AM ET  08.29 by Flyers1986-87

Fehr vs Bettman is all I need to say. There will be a lockout because these 2 idiots never look at the 'good' of their sport in the longrun, just look at short-term gains for their side. Donald Fehr essentially created the Steroid Era in MLB along with Bud Selig by cancelling the World Series in 1994 and turning off the whole fanbase. The only way people came back was the 1998 HR chase between Sosa and McGwire, which the owners, and MLBPA along with the players all looked the other way that all the players were juicing. Now were are left with records that are tainted, a Hall of Fame Ballot every year that no one know how to vote on because they are trying to figure out who was juicing and who wasn't, and the suspicion of EVERY baseball player that has a great year now because they never addressed the problem in the 1990's.Bettman is just as guilty as this could be his 3rd lockout, which means he is trying to fix the mess that HE created in 2004-05 lockout that was trying to fix the mess he created in the 1994-95 lockout! At what point does an owner question this guy that he can't look at where the sport will be in 5 years and realizing that one of these years when they lock out the players, the fans wont come back.

It's a bit of a stretch to say Fehr created the steroid era in baseball. Players were juicing before the '94 strike and to imply that he somehow engineered this steroid era to lure the fans back is a bit silly. The whole fanbase was not turned off and the HR chase by two juicers was independent of the strike and probably would have happened even if there wasn't a strike in '94. There's no doubt that all parties involved ignored it but there are a lot of other more relevant reasons for the steriod era. And, don't forget, there has been 18 years and counting of labor peace in MLB since the strike. That doesn't appear to be in danger anytime soon.

The owners won't question Bettman's decisions cos they are the ones telling him what to do.

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Originally posted 09:48 AM ET  08.29 by Harry Crack

icing is what happens to the sidewalk in winter , frosting is what insecure metrosexual men do to their hair

I'm bald. if I used frosting I'd look like a (large) cupcake!

BTW I agree with Phantom that The Dwarf simply regurgitates what HE is told to do by the owners. It's my belief that a relatively few owners (probably from 8-10) of the 30 teams, probably call the shots. To the degree this proposal is being accurately reported I it probably means we're a step closer to a new CBA. Soon we might hear what issues are really preventing an agreement. I'd like to hope that whatever happens the next CBA will be for 10 years and not a minute less.

How about if both sides took less and passed the savings on to the fans by lowering ticket prices.

Damn, the drugs are starting to kick in, this is good **** man

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Originally posted 08:38 AM ET  08.29 by Spiny Norman

I read in the paper this am (NY Daily News) that The Dwarf said the new prop made moves toward the player's side.....

No sheyet, Sherlock. What a bunch of geniuses at the NY Daily News. We would've never guessed that compromise moves people toward each other. Brilliant!

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Originally posted 10:29 AM ET  08.29 by drysdale

Damn, the drugs are starting to kick in, this is good **** man

Can you make it last past Sept. 15?

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Originally posted 09:48 AM ET  08.29 by Harry Crack

icing is what happens to the sidewalk in winter , frosting is what insecure metrosexual men do to their hair

Wow! Your knowledge of such things is very impressive, HC.

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Originally posted 09:50 AM ET  08.29 by Nobody expects Phantomphan MMT

It's a bit of a stretch to say Fehr created the steroid era in baseball. Players were juicing before the '94 strike and to imply that he somehow engineered this steroid era to lure the fans back is a bit silly. The whole fanbase was not turned off and the HR chase by two juicers was independent of the strike and probably would have happened even if there wasn't a strike in '94. There's no doubt that all parties involved ignored it but there are a lot of other more relevant reasons for the steriod era. And, don't forget, there has been 18 years and counting of labor peace in MLB since the strike. That doesn't appear to be in danger anytime soon.The owners won't question Bettman's decisions cos they are the ones telling him what to do.

You misunderstood me as I wasn't saying that Fehr engineered the Steroid Era in a sense of actually conspiring to get the players to juice and that would create a HR chase that would bring the fans back. What he and Selig did was look the other way when the whispers started at Steroid Use in MLB in the late 90's. In fact, Fehr fought very hard against drug testing players simply on the 'civil rights' issue. When 1998 HR chase came and sort of brought back many fans to the ballpark again, Fehr and Selig were not going to throw cold water of the flame by pushing the possiblity that there was rampant use of steroids. In fact, Selig didn't even want to push the issue in the next CBA in fear of another strike by the players and would have probably killed the game. It took congress (and Canseco's book) in 1995 to expose the rampant use of steroids in the sport, and THAT is when they started to take the issue seriously with larger suspensions.

And we are now left today with a tainted record book, a suspicion of guys like Jeter who are still great at 38 years old, and a HOF ballot next year that contains Bonds, Sosa and Clemens and nobody has any idea on whether they deserve to get in or not simply because they weren't testing in the 1990's