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08:22 AM ET 09.14 | Barring a sort of miracle, the lockout will check in over the weekend. And that means the players will have to ask themselves some sobering questions: Now what? They're being idealistic, but are they being realistic? How do they win this war -- or, better put, what would they consider a win? "How do we win?" asked Calgary Flames forward Michael Cammalleri. "We've already lost." The players have already made major concessions, offering to limit their raises the next three seasons ... and then link their share to hockey-related revenue at less than the 57-percent rate they used to receive. But the owners want more, demanding the players accept an immediate pay cut, an even lower percentage of HRR and restricted contract rights.

Michael Cammalleri, Icon Sports

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September 14, 2012 08:53 AM ET

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No Mike, we the fans already lost. Again.

Stranger

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September 14, 2012 09:02 AM ET

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A 3 million dollar salary player loses about $35,000 per regular season game with a lock-out.
Poor guys...Double that to the "big stars"...Get some reality, all of you...Don't know how much an owner loses...but the fans, that are the real losers, should remember this idiocy for years to come. Go to the games...just don't BUY their products or visit the concession stands.

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September 14, 2012 09:10 AM ET

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Originally posted 09:02 AM ET 09.14 by Baun-ded=PH in MOTION

A 3 million dollar salary player loses about $35,000 per regular season game with a lock-out.Poor guys...Double that to the "big stars"...Get some reality, all of you...Don't know how much an owner loses...but the fans, that are the real losers, should remember this idiocy for years to come. Go to the games...just don't BUY their products or visit the concession stands.

I'm Spiny Norman and I approve this message more vigorously than I can say

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September 14, 2012 09:21 AM ET

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Originally posted 09:02 AM ET 09.14 by Baun-ded=PH in MOTION

A 3 million dollar salary player loses about $35,000 per regular season game with a lock-out.Poor guys...Double that to the "big stars"...Get some reality, all of you...Don't know how much an owner loses...but the fans, that are the real losers, should remember this idiocy for years to come. Go to the games...just don't BUY their products or visit the concession stands.

This is a sport....money is made on both sides....how much money does each side think they need????? my guess is more than the fan is willing to pay..prices are out of the average fans budget....but if the season cancels, as usual, the fans will pay....as Bishop said on another thread.."Too many teams in nontraditional markets".....wake up and get a solid, competive league that we all can enjoy...and if markets are lost, so be it......

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September 14, 2012 09:37 AM ET

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Originally posted 08:53 AM ET 09.14 by Stranger

No Mike, we the fans already lost. Again.

Yep. Eff them all!

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September 14, 2012 09:38 AM ET

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Originally posted 09:21 AM ET 09.14 by Othello

This is a sport....money is made on both sides....how much money does each side think they need?????

Apparently a little more then 240M

Garbage Man

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September 14, 2012 09:39 AM ET

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Cammalleri on lockout winners: 'We've already lost'

It looks to me like you're a lockout 'winner' Mikey.

Games lost due to lockout.

NFL - 0

NBA - 788

MLB - 938

NHL - 1678

Canuck eh?

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September 14, 2012 10:11 AM ET

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Originally posted 09:39 AM ET 09.14 by Canuck eh?

Cammalleri on lockout winners: 'We've already lost'It looks to me like you're a lockout 'winner' Mikey.Games lost due to lockout.NFL - 0NBA - 788MLB - 938NHL - 1678

To steal a line from Music City

Mike you are "A winner at a losing game"

Garbage Man

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September 14, 2012 10:16 AM ET

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Originally posted 09:10 AM ET 09.14 by Spiny Norman

I'm Spiny Norman and I approve this message .... with all my testicular fortitude.

Fixed

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September 14, 2012 10:17 AM ET

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The way I see it -- I'm a winner -- I'll have to pay less for my share of season seats this year. Too bad for them.

How's that for "the glass is half full" thinking?

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September 14, 2012 10:19 AM ET

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Originally posted 08:53 AM ET 09.14 by Stranger

No Mike, we the fans already lost. Again.

Agreed. I start yawning any time these guys open their pie holes.

roamer

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September 14, 2012 10:19 AM ET

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Fans! We dont need no stinking Fans

Signed
Players and Owners

drysdale

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September 14, 2012 10:20 AM ET

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Originally posted 10:17 AM ET 09.14 by drysdale

The way I see it -- I'm a winner -- I'll have to pay less for my share of season seats this year. Too bad for them.How's that for "the glass is half full" thinking?

I like your thinking on this matter.

roamer

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September 14, 2012 10:27 AM ET

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"How do we win?" asked Calgary Flames forward Michael Cammalleri.

Is he asking about the CBA negotiations or a hockey game? :)))

(Lockout tweak :)

Nobody expects…

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September 14, 2012 10:37 AM ET

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The boys season starts this weekend......so I could careless

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September 14, 2012 10:39 AM ET

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Originally posted 10:27 AM ET 09.14 by Nobody expects Phantomphan MMT

"How do we win?" asked Calgary Flames forward Michael Cammalleri. Is he asking about the CBA negotiations or a hockey game? :))) (Lockout tweak :)

Hockey game ... of course. Just ask HC.

roamer

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September 14, 2012 10:45 AM ET

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Originally posted 10:11 AM ET 09.14 by Garbage Man

To steal a line from Music CityMike you are "A winner at a losing game"

+1000

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September 14, 2012 10:47 AM ET

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Originally posted 10:27 AM ET 09.14 by Nobody expects Phantomphan MMT

"How do we win?" asked Calgary Flames forward Michael Cammalleri.

Is he asking about the CBA negotiations or a hockey game? :)))

(Lockout tweak :)

He's not the first Flame to ask that.