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08:14 AM ET 10.04 | The best thing about such a disappointing season is its end. Exactly why the season went so wrong for the Phillies is a matter of opinion. Exactly who paid the highest price initially was not. Three men -- hitting instructor Greg Gross, bench coach Pete Mackanin, and first-base coach Sam Perlozzo -- lost their jobs. More changes are coming. Some players are going to lose their jobs, too. The prevailing opinion in the clubhouse afterward was that the Phillies' fall from grace was mostly about the avalanche of injuries that started with Ryan Howard's torn Achilles tendon on the final day of the 2011 season and was magnified by Chase Utley's bad news about his bum knees before they played a Grapefruit League game.

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October 4, 2012  08:36 AM ET
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I haven't done a real study of this, but I wonder if injuries are even more common now that players work out intensively than back when most of them had to have jobs in the offseason. They sure don't seem LESS common to me...

I wondered about this in sports, cause and effect or effect and cause? I do think now the league is a lot more of a profit with players commanding salaries per year that would have bought the league back then. I think players are now groomed since little league to train, practice, eat and take supplements to push themselves harder than the other guys so maybe because they are wound so tight when they do get injured the injuries are worse.. or that now they make so much they dont play through things that might effect them long term... back in the day baseball was a sport where you would go to work, play a game, drink and repeat... it was more of an escape for players and fans to enjoy something where now its more of a business to owners, players and agents...

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October 4, 2012  09:35 AM ET

All big league players are not hurting for money, so they don't have to play through injuries except when it is contract time and then they all put out to get even a bigger contract than the one they had before.

October 4, 2012  09:59 AM ET

It seems like the coaches take the blame, when injuries were largely the cause of their demise.

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October 4, 2012  12:13 PM ET

Their was a TRIPLE CROWN WINNER and we had to read this BS.

October 4, 2012  12:22 PM ET

....phillies should fire their front office 100% and bring in billy beane to run the show....that would take care of the rest....only three franchises are worhy as template for others-a's , rays, and o's.....

October 4, 2012  12:48 PM ET
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I just wonder if most bodies can only take so much activity before breaking down and players now add a lot more activity through their workouts.Maybe just BS, but I don't get the feeling that being more fit and strong in general is helping modern players avoid injuries, and it surprises me.

I suspect you are on to something here. Maybe more Tai Chi/Yoga in the off-season, less wear-and-tear on the joints.

October 4, 2012  12:59 PM ET
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I haven't done a real study of this, but I wonder if injuries are even more common now that players work out intensively than back when most of them had to have jobs in the offseason. They sure don't seem LESS common to me...

That would be a great study. I would have to think so.

October 4, 2012  02:51 PM ET

Don't these fools know They fired the first base coach, batting coach, and the offense co ordinater ?

October 4, 2012  03:00 PM ET

wiseup: The Phillies fired three coaches Perlozzo Who was a coach for Sparky Anderson on the big Red Machine of the 70;s Mackin managed the Reds in 1999, Only to lose the one game playoff with Mets. Gross , not that familar with. Point is these coaches have be come the scape goats for this year. Injuries to key players to start year dug a big hole. once Utley and Howard returned. The Phillies made a serious run for a wild card spot. The big 3 became Hammels and the rest. Why was the pitching coach not fired?

October 4, 2012  03:05 PM ET

Wiseup: Some one must have replaced Howards pine tar with a tub of butter. Why else would he have dropped the lead pipe he used on deck on his toe and braking it?

October 4, 2012  03:05 PM ET

They Stone You don't win games, They Stone you when you miss the playoffs, I would not feel so all alone, everybody must get Stoned!!! Bob Dylan who didn't play Baseball!!!
They Stone you and they stone you once again!!!

October 4, 2012  11:25 PM ET

wiseup: If the three coaches got fired. Why not the pitching coach or even Charlie Manuel? The Phillies are getting long in the tooth. Phillies need to get younger

October 5, 2012  05:24 AM ET

philly never does anything smart... they have Ryne Sandberg but they keep Marble Mouth Manuel..

They have a RUBE as a GM that cannot spell Baseball, yet he still has a YOB.

 
October 5, 2012  09:26 AM ET

I love the "get younger" comments - easy to say - hard to do. Mayberry and Brown in starting OF next year - significantly younger. 3b will be younger. That leaves:

1b: no option for a change given contract
2b: Utley even at 80% better than any alternative
SS: Rollins - well i guess you could do something but given he performed this year i don't know why

Really leaves bullpen and starters 4-5 to "get younger"

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