Oilers young guns targeted at OKC

Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins and [Justin Schultz] have all been targeted in the last few games



No surprise there...

Oilers young guns targeted at OKC

Perhaps they could shoot back.

QUOTE(#1):

Originally posted 08:39 AM ET  10.31 by Golden Bay

Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins and [Justin Schultz] have all been targeted in the last few games. No surprise there...

Jealousy is a huge factor, no doubt. These kids are millionaires, even at entry level contracts and have a bright future. Compare that to the plumbers who toil year in and year out in the AHL with little or no hope of ever making it to the big show and ..... you have the perfect storm.

QUOTE(#2):

Originally posted 08:41 AM ET  10.31 by Canuck eh?

Oilers young guns targeted at OKCPerhaps they could shoot back.

While it is no fun being run at all the time, this is a good place for them to learn to keep their heads up because it ain't gonna get any easier in the NHL where the goons are bigger and nastier.

QUOTE(#4):

Originally posted 09:19 AM ET  10.31 by roamer

While it is no fun being run at all the time, this is a good place for them to learn to keep their heads up because it ain't gonna get any easier in the NHL where the goons are bigger and nastier.

I concur. Thanks for stating my point a little clearer.

QUOTE(#3):

Originally posted 09:16 AM ET  10.31 by roamer

Jealousy is a huge factor, no doubt. These kids are millionaires, even at entry level contracts and have a bright future. Compare that to the plumbers who toil year in and year out in the AHL with little or no hope of ever making it to the big show and ..... you have the perfect storm.

I disagree on the jealousy factor.
The AHL is and has been a very tough league to play in. It is a take no prisoners physical brand of hockey and regardless of who you are, it can be very punishing. The guys in the AHL are all trying to make it to the NHL and that's one of the reasons I really like it and wish that I could see these games on the tube. I have no idea why, with the NHL lock-out, that it is not being televised somehow.
It's one of the reasons I like the Jr's championships each year as compared to the NHL "exhibitions"...those kids are playing for keeps...an NHLer is going to think twice before he runs his European team-mate.

Good points ......Jr's is very nice.

I spend the holiday season tuned in......

QUOTE(#2):

Originally posted 08:41 AM ET  10.31 by Canuck eh?

Oilers young guns targeted at OKCPerhaps they could shoot back.

Or at least take the bullseye decals off their jerseys.

QUOTE(#6):

Originally posted 09:58 AM ET  10.31 by Baun-ded=PH in MOTION

I disagree on the jealousy factor.The AHL is and has been a very tough league to play in. It is a take no prisoners physical brand of hockey and regardless of who you are, it can be very punishing. The guys in the AHL are all trying to make it to the NHL and that's one of the reasons I really like it and wish that I could see these games on the tube. I have no idea why, with the NHL lock-out, that it is not being televised somehow.It's one of the reasons I like the Jr's championships each year as compared to the NHL "exhibitions"...those kids are playing for keeps...an NHLer is going to think twice before he runs his European team-mate.

I miss the Phantoms.

What a shame ;-)

QUOTE(#10):

Originally posted 10:21 AM ET  10.31 by Harry Crack

What a shame ;-)

How appropriate....a green eyed monster on Halloween. :-0

QUOTE(#7):

Originally posted 10:03 AM ET  10.31 by NY Rangers

Good points ......Jr's is very nice.I spend the holiday season tuned in......

Me too...So Hall was getting 3.75 mil. at the NHL level and still getting paid up until now...He will make his AHL salary of 67 thousand...and if injured?
Will continue to receive it even if the NHL starts back.

Fractures in the Union...?
Hall will look at is first AHL check after being used to those nice hefty NHL numbers...and just cringe.
Imagine...being a multi-millionaire one week and making less than a 100 grand the next for doing the exact same thing.
Man...I am telling you, that has have to have an impact!

QUOTE(#12):

Originally posted 12:08 PM ET  10.31 by Baun-ded=PH in MOTION

Me too...So Hall was getting 3.75 mil. at the NHL level and still getting paid up until now...He will make his AHL salary of 67 thousand...and if injured?Will continue to receive it even if the NHL starts back.Fractures in the Union...?Hall will look at is first AHL check after being used to those nice hefty NHL numbers...and just cringe. Imagine...being a multi-millionaire one week and making less than a 100 grand the next for doing the exact same thing.Man...I am telling you, that has have to have an impact!

Do you really think the players don't know about the disparity in paychecks? This is not going to surprise anyone.

Hall...approx.
NHL- 44 thousand per game.
AHL- less than 800 dollars.

*calculated on 84 game schedules.

Like I said...Impact.
OUCH!

QUOTE(#13):

Originally posted 12:11 PM ET  10.31 by Nobody expects Phantomphan MMT

Do you really think the players don't know about the disparity in paychecks? This is not going to surprise anyone.

Yeah I do know they know...but it is quite another look at reality to see and feel it...
And on another note:
Brad Richards just picked up his escrow check for almost a cool million this week.
So...just what is it again that the player's are so scared of about their contracts being honored again?
The F ing NBA went from 57 to 50% after their dispute last year and are playing now a full season...and everybody looks happy to be out there.

QUOTE(#15):

Originally posted 12:17 PM ET  10.31 by Baun-ded=PH in MOTION

Yeah I do know they know...but it is quite another look at reality to see and feel it...And on another note:Brad Richards just picked up his escrow check for almost a cool million this week.So...just what is it again that the player's are so scared of about their contracts being honored again?The F ing NBA went from 57 to 50% after their dispute last year and are playing now a full season...and everybody looks happy to be out there.

Escrow payments are not a sure thing. I think the players would accept a 50-50 split if present contracts are honored in full as they should be.

QUOTE(#16):

Originally posted 01:45 PM ET  10.31 by Nobody expects Phantomphan MMT

Escrow payments are not a sure thing. I think the players would accept a 50-50 split if present contracts are honored in full as they should be.

Although I tend to side with the League more than with the PA, I'm in total agreement with you about this.............50-50 split and honor existing contracts........totally. I would discuss adjusting the salary cap by giving some breaks to teams with outrageous existing contracts ie. maybe only adding 1/3 each year based on some agreed upon standard to allow 3 years before the full impact was felt? They don't deserve it, but I'm thinking it might provide some traction for agreement.

Finally, if the CBA has a term.....make it for more than 6 or 7 years (say 10?) and start negotiating the replacement based on a strict schedule of meetings beginning at least 2 years before the scheduled termination.

talking about being targeted, meanwhile the only injury was from an accidental high stick. wow. powerful stuff.

Time for a novel:

If the players opt for an immediate 50-50 split, then I think the NHLs plan of a proportionnal rollback makes alot more sense for the majority of nhl players than having none. Taking arbitrary numbers, if the cap drops from 70 to 60 million, and all long-term contracts are honored to their full value (rather then retrograded proprotionately), it leaves far less money under the new cap to sign the average player and incoming players. For some of the teams this situation could play out for up to 10 years.

If all future contracts are going to have to draw from a smaller pie, I think that its only fair that those that are lucky enough to have long-term, highly lucrative contracts should share a little bit in th burden. What we are going to see is an nfl-type scenario where as star player gets a salary the is ridiculously disproportionate to their contribution, while half the roster will be playing slightly above league minimum. By guaranteeing existing inflated contracts, and then cutting the overall amount that can be spent, it doesnt take bean counter to figure out who it will hurt and why.

If the nhl wants to ensure that the KHL actually does one day become a viable competitor, this is exactly how to go about it. As it is, many eastern european players take pay cuts on their first nhl contract in because it is sold to them as an investment that will yield a good return if they are able to establish themselves in the league. If a russian player is forced to play 2 years in the ahl, followed by 2 seasons at a rookie salary, in many cases he is losing mone vs what he would earn as a steady regular in the KHL. The new economics, as proposed by the NHLPA tell us that because the Suters & Parises wont take a hit on their salary, which will take up a much larger overall chunk of the revised cap...is that when comes times to negotiate his 2nd contract (the one where his risk in jumping overseas will be rewarded), will likely be reduced by a considerable margin (estimate in some cases upwards of 25 percent, even if the cap drops only 10 million).

The nhlpa is supposed to exist for all 700-odd members, not just the stars, so it really doesnt make sense to me why the only contracts and the only bottom line they seem in protecting is that of the few elite. I understand the rhetoric and I understand not wanting a rollback out of principle...but when you get down to it, if they accept a cap reduction, then the rollback makes the most sense for the most people. When a 4th liner on the Wild will be offered 750k (as opposed to over 1 million he would stand to make otherwise), take it or leave it, because he decided to go to bat for Suter and Parise out of principle, he probably wont be happy.

A solution is to make indiv exceptions to the cap. So...lets have a cap, but not really make it a cap, because all the teams that are whining in the first place are also the biggest offenders in terms of long-term overvalued contracts. In the end, if we allow exceptions, then its not the Habs of the Maple Leafs of this world thatll end up exceeding the 60 million dollar cap ceiling with their exceptions...no, its the Kings, the Wild and the Lightning...etc. So if thats the case, then what is the point of the lockout? Better yet, whats the point of the cap?

sometimes I like to just post this stuff to see if anyone can read until the end!