WSU president wants probe of football program

Hire Craig James to do it for ya.

Very difficult situation here, obviously. Coaches are supposed to be tough on players, football is a sport of toughness to say the very least.

But where's the line between tough and abuse? And who is supposed to draw that line? Coaches? Players? School officials?

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Originally posted 09:08 AM ET  11.12 by GR=O-6fan

Coaches are supposed to be tough on players, football is a sport of toughness to say the very least. But where's the line between tough and abuse?

Do we see a pattern here? Football is football GR.

We are not seeing these allegations in other places and yet all coaches face the same set of circumstances . . . how to motivate, train and coach a 19 yr old kid. Where there is smoke there is fire and it looks like Mike might have some off the field issues that are making their way onto the field.

IMO

Sad.

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Originally posted 09:26 AM ET  11.12 by 12-0 deal with it (BB9)

Do we see a pattern here? Football is football GR. We are not seeing these allegations in other places and yet all coaches face the same set of circumstances . . . how to motivate, train and coach a 19 yr old kid. Where there is smoke there is fire and it looks like Mike might have some off the field issues that are making their way onto the field.IMO

It's common knowledge (and has been for a long time) that Leach is very "non traditional" in nearly everything he does. He's actually doing the same things that were done while he was an assistant at several places under different head coaches.

Wife was the HS counselor for one of his former receivers and that player fully disclosed some of the antics. He said he and a few other team mates had to sit in classroom desks on the 50 yard line of the Jones AT&T Stadium and do their homework in 100 degree heat because they cut class. So if such is over the top, then Leach is definitely guilty as charged.

Would this have even made the news 20 yrs ago? 50 yrs ago? Discipline for kids in this day and age is like getting a Diva to change deodorants, it just is a tough sell1

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Originally posted 09:38 AM ET  11.12 by crimson_colored_glasses

Would this have even made the news 20 yrs ago? 50 yrs ago? Discipline for kids in this day and age is like getting a Diva to change deodorants, it just is a tough sell1

no. too many coddled athletes in a soft and getting softer whiny society

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Originally posted 09:35 AM ET  11.12 by Deep Creek

Wife was the HS counselor for one of his former receivers and that player fully disclosed some of the antics. He said he and a few other team mates had to sit in classroom desks on the 50 yard line of the Jones AT&T Stadium and do their homework in 100 degree heat because they cut class. So if such is over the top, then Leach is definitely guilty as charged.

Contrast this to what you hear about, oh, say, the Junction Boys' experience under the Bear. Bet those guys are laughing their gray hairs off when they read about this.

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Originally posted 09:56 AM ET  11.12 by GR=O-6fan

Contrast this to what you hear about, oh, say, the Junction Boys' experience under the Bear. Bet those guys are laughing their gray hairs off when they read about this.

Read where Bama (Bear's family I think) hosted the Junction Boys for the game last Saturday. DOn't know if true but my Aggie neighbor told me so.

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Originally posted 09:58 AM ET  11.12 by Deep Creek

Read where Bama (Bear's family I think) hosted the Junction Boys for the game last Saturday. DOn't know if true but my Aggie neighbor told me so.

We definitely honored them at this game. I'm not sure why since they are Texas A&M, other than yes, I know, Coach Bryant coached them. Seemed odd that we did it, though.

Here DS, here DS, (whistles), where has that mutt gone?

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Originally posted 10:17 AM ET  11.12 by Joe Kidd #1

We definitely honored them at this game. I'm not sure why since they are Texas A&M, other than yes, I know, Coach Bryant coached them. Seemed odd that we did it, though.

I thought it strange too...but, you have to remember three of my four best friends are cult agnuts and nothing involving the aggies surprises me any more.

I asked my neighbor why they would do it. He thought it had to do more with the Bryant family than the university since the 60 year anniversary is coming up.

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Originally posted 10:47 AM ET  11.12 by GrandTheftHarley

Haven't read as yet of Leach keelhauling a recalcitrant player or administering the cat o' nine tails for insubordination, so that's a good sign.

Don't put anything past him though. He does what "normal" folks consider strange things.

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Originally posted 10:29 AM ET  11.12 by colonel

Here DS, here DS, (whistles), where has that mutt gone?

I'm here. Does that make your day?

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Originally posted 11:26 AM ET  11.12 by GrandTheftHarley

HiYa, DC. Could it be said that Leach is capable of mental and emotional abuse of his players? Or is his methodology of meting out discipline just in the realm of the eccentric and unconventional?

He definitely gets in their heads, no doubt about it Harley. Don't know where the line is that crosses over into the mental/emotional abuse. That's for people smarter than me but the mentally weak probably think he crosses that line immediately.

He also gets into school admins heads, media heads and little fat girlfriends heads.

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Originally posted 09:08 AM ET  11.12 by GR=O-6fan

Very difficult situation here, obviously. Coaches are supposed to be tough on players, football is a sport of toughness to say the very least. But where's the line between tough and abuse? And who is supposed to draw that line? Coaches? Players? School officials?

As I stated a few weeks ago, quite a few players on WSU's roster came from the Los Angeles area and had very little parent guidance and aren't use to being coached the way Leach coaches. That is IMO, what made Pete Carroll such a good college football coach, he knew how to handle these type of kids with kid gloves. Wilson is from the Eugene Oregon area, just curious if he want to enroll in Oregon?