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Rangers waiting for D-backs to lower price for Justin Upton

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09:35 AM ET 11.24 | The mixed signals continue from the Diamondbacks, who are open to trading Justin Upton even as their managing general partner, Ken Kendrick, continues to insist the right fielder likely will return. The Rangers, according to one source, are waiting for the D-backs to back off on their demands for either shortstop Elvis Andrus or infielder Jurickson Profar as the centerpiece of an Upton deal. Others wonder if the D-Backs eventually might trade left fielder Jason Kubel instead of Upton, even though they would receive a lesser return.

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November 24, 2012  10:04 AM ET

Upton signed a six year $50 million contract in 2010. That is a very good deal for any club to assume. It has to increase his value and be entered into the equation. No need to lower their demands at all.

November 24, 2012  11:38 AM ET

.....upton is not worth that asking price....would give them kinsler and a piece or two...

November 24, 2012  12:30 PM ET

Justin Upton might be worth trading Profar for, but before doing that, I would see what other teams would give for Profar. I suspect they can get better than Upton if they want to trade him.

November 24, 2012  01:24 PM ET

Upton has been more valuable than Elvis Andrus and has more long term value with his contract. Ian Kinsler has little value with his megadeal.

Jason Kubel is a huge dud for the DBacks. His decent hitting barely offsets his awful defense, he's killing the DBack rotation when he's out in left field, and gives him barely more value than a AAA player. If the Rangers won't pay up for Upton, of course move Kubel, he can be replaced far easier.

November 24, 2012  02:19 PM ET

I don't understand what the Rangers expect to obtain him for? I think Andrus as part of a package is a reasonable asking price for Upton.

November 24, 2012  02:29 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Upton signed a six year $50 million contract in 2010. That is a very good deal for any club to assume. It has to increase his value and be entered into the equation. No need to lower their demands at all.

Sorry ... but under this circumstance, the Rangers would be foolish to give up either Andres or Profar ... not an even trade, period.

I can't believe I just agreed with the SM ... *sigh* ... what is the world coming to?

November 24, 2012  02:31 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Upton has been more valuable than Elvis Andrus and has more long term value with his contract. Ian Kinsler has little value with his megadeal.Jason Kubel is a huge dud for the DBacks. His decent hitting barely offsets his awful defense, he's killing the DBack rotation when he's out in left field, and gives him barely more value than a AAA player. If the Rangers won't pay up for Upton, of course move Kubel, he can be replaced far easier.

wrong ... Andrus has been the at the top of fielding SS's for two years ... granted his bat hasn't been that hot, but he improved immensesly last year ... Upton isn't worth the trade and the Rangers need to stick to their guns ...

November 24, 2012  04:19 PM ET

I don't think Upton has reached his ceiling yet.

November 24, 2012  06:02 PM ET
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I don't think Upton has reached his ceiling yet.

Nor has Elvis Andrus. He's a year younger than Upton, plays a more demanding position and has improved every year he's been in the bigs.

If the Rangers were to trade Andrus, they would have to get a lot more than Justin Upton and there's no way they trade Profar.

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November 24, 2012  11:49 PM ET
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Nor has Elvis Andrus. He's a year younger than Upton, plays a more demanding position and has improved every year he's been in the bigs.If the Rangers were to trade Andrus, they would have to get a lot more than Justin Upton and there's no way they trade Profar.

Andrus is such a tremendous defender that it's made him a valuable player despite his limp noodle of a bat. But he hasn't improved every year, he was good in 2009 and terrible in 2010. And he hasn't been as valuable as Upton, despite Upton's inconsistencies.

Justin Upton is a valuable defender himself, while he is error-prone, he's had the best range of any right fielder in baseball over the last 4 years. And when healthy (he was hurt this year) he's a monster hitter.

Their contract situations are somewhat similar, Upton has another year of control at significantly higher salaries. Historically teams have paid around $5M for each win, given the revenues from the new TV deals, it's likely that will soon be over $6M. Based on their last 4 years that would make Elvis worth $17M a year and Upton around $20M a year. At that rate, Elvis is worth $23M in surplus value, and Upton, $22M.

But I think the higher upside still lies with Upton. He clearly is a top hitter when healthy, and combined with his defensive value makes him an MVP candidate. Elvis really needs to take a substantial step forward with the bat to be that type of player.

November 25, 2012  09:43 AM ET
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Upton has been more valuable than Elvis Andrus and has more long term value with his contract. Ian Kinsler has little value with his megadeal.Jason Kubel is a huge dud for the DBacks. His decent hitting barely offsets his awful defense, he's killing the DBack rotation when he's out in left field, and gives him barely more value than a AAA player. If the Rangers won't pay up for Upton, of course move Kubel, he can be replaced far easier.

LOL, your first sentence, hahahahahhaahha!

November 25, 2012  10:10 AM ET

It sounds like the Rangers are going to let Hamilton go and are looking for his replacement.

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