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12th Man not a friend of the Buccaneers this season

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05:35 PM ET 12.12 | Substitution strategy has become a serious part of the NFL game, and the rules are in place because football is an 11 on 11 sport, no questions asked. The possibilities of allowing a 12th man on the field, for any reason, opens up a can of worms that is completely unneeded and will only cause more problems. Trick plays involving a man leaving the field or coming onto the field late would cause issues worse than the "Fail Mary". More importantly, rules are meant to be followed and called consistently, and the NFL already struggles with rules that have absolutely no level of consistency (holding, block in the back, illegal contact and pass interference, even group celebration). The underlying issue is that we are making excuses for a team that continues to show a lack of discipline. Under lame duck Raheem Morris last season, the Buccaneers were top 5 in penalties. This season, under "disciplinarian" Greg Schiano, the Buccaneers are just outside of the top 5, with penalties affecting the final drive of multiple games this season for the Buccaneers.

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December 12, 2012  05:40 PM ET

I'm not even interested in reading the entire article on this one...

December 12, 2012  06:01 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I'm not even interested in reading the entire article on this one...

Yeah I fell asleep

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December 12, 2012  06:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

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Wakeup FOOL!!

December 12, 2012  07:04 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I'm not even interested in reading the entire article on this one...

they sure are tall in that picture though...

December 12, 2012  10:35 PM ET

stretched out they are.

December 13, 2012  07:58 AM ET
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they sure are tall in that picture though...

Normal height, but they're on a low-fat diet.

December 13, 2012  08:05 AM ET

Damn, I remember a play by Dallas back in the Tom Landry days. I thought it was exceptionally cool. This was before there were "huddle rules."

Dallas had 12 men in the huddle. They put a man in motion out to the sidelines. (For some reason, I think it was Drew Pearson.) A defender went with him. He just kept going, straight out of bounds just before the snap and the defense was effectively down a man for the play.

The referees conferred for a long time. The Cowboys had broken no explicit rules, since they only had 11 men on the field at the time of the snap. But, they came up with some fuzzy ruling about "intent to deceive," called the play back and penalized Dallas 5 yards.

Now, isn't the whole Zen of Football "intent to deceive?" What's play action, if not "intent to deceive." I thought it was a BS call by the refs.

December 13, 2012  08:34 AM ET

Some refs are known for their BS calls

December 13, 2012  09:10 AM ET
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Damn, I remember a play by Dallas back in the Tom Landry days. I thought it was exceptionally cool. This was before there were "huddle rules."Dallas had 12 men in the huddle. They put a man in motion out to the sidelines. (For some reason, I think it was Drew Pearson.) A defender went with him. He just kept going, straight out of bounds just before the snap and the defense was effectively down a man for the play.The referees conferred for a long time. The Cowboys had broken no explicit rules, since they only had 11 men on the field at the time of the snap. But, they came up with some fuzzy ruling about "intent to deceive," called the play back and penalized Dallas 5 yards.Now, isn't the whole Zen of Football "intent to deceive?" What's play action, if not "intent to deceive." I thought it was a BS call by the refs.

I loved that kickoff return with the guy lying on the turf in the endzone who then stood up and took what should have been a lateral. I believe it was the Iggles.

It was intent to deceive, and it worked. Shame the lateral was a forward pass and the play was called back.

 
December 13, 2012  09:39 AM ET

Isn't the Bucs the team that slamed the QB when trying to take a knee or was that Tenn ?

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