Subban seeking Doughty money

And i want a weekend with Mila Kunis....give your head a shake PK !

I heard this on RDS yesterday as well, this is just someone taking a comment made in the backroom as truth and then repeating it. I know for a fact that it is not the case. The real issue is that Subban wants something completely different from what the owners wanted to offer (they were offering in the 3 millions for 2 years before doing the big contract, a la Price & Patches), but Subban wants the future money now, so he was talking more like 5 years at 5 million (and he originally thought he should get paid like Karlson in Ottawa).

I think that sitting through the lockout without a contract has woken him up, and from what I have been led to believe his agent got through to him as to what his real value is.

Sad thing though, is that if PK didn't have so many conflicts with his coaches and teammates, he probably would have gotten something close to the contract he wanted.

I'd take Del Zotto over PK any day of the week, and Del Zotto probably ain't gonna get much more than Staal got ($4m'ish). I could see Subban winding up elsewhere (Philly maybe).

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Originally posted 08:35 AM ET  01.09 by dannylimes

I'd take Del Zotto over PK any day of the week, and Del Zotto probably ain't gonna get much more than Staal got ($4m'ish). I could see Subban winding up elsewhere (Philly maybe).

I am still wondering what all the hoo-ha is over Subban anyway...and if he really is looking for that kind of money...which I only believe because of the age we live in where everyone thinks they're special...he needs a wakeup call

You want Doughty money try the K

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Originally posted 08:39 AM ET  01.09 by Spiny Norman

I am still wondering what all the hoo-ha is over Subban anyway...and if he really is looking for that kind of money...which I only believe because of the age we live in where everyone thinks they're special...he needs a wakeup call

th hoo-ha is that he really is extremely talented and anybody that can't see the talent is either (a) blind, (b) a bruins fan.

He's still learning the game though, and he has a lousy attitude. It's unfortunate because he's a super nice guy and all, but he's convinced that it's all about him 24-7.

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Originally posted 08:39 AM ET  01.09 by Swamp Dragon

You want Doughty money try the K

then he would be looking to make Radulov money.

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Originally posted 08:31 AM ET  01.09 by puttin on the foil

I think that sitting through the lockout without a contract has woken him up, and from what I have been led to believe his agent got through to him as to what his real value is. Sad thing though, is that if PK didn't have so many conflicts with his coaches and teammates, he probably would have gotten something close to the contract he wanted.

He was on 590 here yesterday, and he sounded very much like somebody who will not be starting the season next Saturday. He either wants to get paid, or is looking for an exit from Montreal. He made no bones about the fact that he will not be in camp without a deal, and that they weren't close to one.

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Originally posted 08:46 AM ET  01.09 by dannylimes

He was on 590 here yesterday, and he sounded very much like somebody who will not be starting the season next Saturday. He either wants to get paid, or is looking for an exit from Montreal. He made no bones about the fact that he will not be in camp without a deal, and that they weren't close to one.

Which is fine, but I don't see it taking longer than a week. He overplayed his hand and now he has no options. Nobody in the league likes him to begin with, and holding out for money that he doesn't really deserve will not help him. He's free to run his mouth all he wants, but between the bravado and the discussions he has had with his agent there's a big difference.

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Originally posted 08:42 AM ET  01.09 by puttin on the foil

th hoo-ha is that he really is extremely talented and anybody that can't see the talent is either (a) blind, (b) a bruins fan. He's still learning the game though, and he has a lousy attitude. It's unfortunate because he's a super nice guy and all, but he's convinced that it's all about him 24-7.

I am neither, and I while admit he has a lot of "potential"...his incredibly bad attitude makes it unlikely that he will ever reach it fully.
And if someone is convinced that it is "all about them 24-7" then "super nice guy" isn't a fitting phrase in my book

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Originally posted 08:54 AM ET  01.09 by puttin on the foil

Which is fine, but I don't see it taking longer than a week. He overplayed his hand and now he has no options. Nobody in the league likes him to begin with, and holding out for money that he doesn't really deserve will not help him. He's free to run his mouth all he wants, but between the bravado and the discussions he has had with his agent there's a big difference.

Lots of guys got money they didn't deserve. If PK is asking for $5m, and a deal that runs well into his UFA years, teams will pay it. A lot of contending teams need d-men - Philly, Detroit, San Jose, Buffalo.. The Leafs got a top six forward for Luke freakin Schenn for god's sake. Don't be so shocked if he's gone by next Saturday.

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Originally posted 09:00 AM ET  01.09 by dannylimes

Lots of guys got money they didn't deserve. If PK is asking for $5m, and a deal that runs well into his UFA years, teams will pay it. A lot of contending teams need d-men - Philly, Detroit, San Jose, Buffalo.. The Leafs got a top six forward for Luke freakin Schenn for god's sake. Don't be so shocked if he's gone by next Saturday.

everybody in the league knows what PK wants, but nobody is making an offer, so for the moment, there goes that theory. And either way, I've always said that an offer from another team would be the best thing that could happen because at least it would force ownership's hand. Unless the sum offered is absurd, I couldn't see the Habs not paying it.

For what it's worth, I agree that the Habs should give him the longer-term deal and then if it doesn't work out they can always move him because his cap hit is reasonable. I fear that if forced to swallow a 2 year deal, he will simply say 'f-u' when ufa status comes up.

I donlt like it, but that's how the Habs do business...

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Originally posted 08:59 AM ET  01.09 by Spiny Norman

I am neither, and I while admit he has a lot of "potential"...his incredibly bad attitude makes it unlikely that he will ever reach it fully.And if someone is convinced that it is "all about them 24-7" then "super nice guy" isn't a fitting phrase in my book

away from the rink he's really great, he makes tons of time for fans and he's always available. In the dressing room he has issues...I'm just pointing out that from the standpoint of Subban, as an individual, I'd like to see him succeed because I like him and think he could be a great Hab...

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Originally posted 09:11 AM ET  01.09 by puttin on the foil

away from the rink he's really great, he makes tons of time for fans and he's always available. In the dressing room he has issues...I'm just pointing out that from the standpoint of Subban, as an individual, I'd like to see him succeed because I like him and think he could be a great Hab...

if he could take that off-ice behaviour and maybe put a little of it toward not being such an idiot ON the ice...yeah, he could really be something. But when someone is that self absorbed in such a team game.....

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Originally posted 08:42 AM ET  01.09 by puttin on the foil

th hoo-ha is that he really is extremely talented and anybody that can't see the talent is either (a) blind, (b) a bruins fan. He's still learning the game though, and he has a lousy attitude. It's unfortunate because he's a super nice guy and all, but he's convinced that it's all about him 24-7.

Interesting. As only a casual observer of his play thus far I've always thought he had a lot of talent and was headed for a potentially great future. I didn't know anything about his "all about me" that you describe. If that's his attitude it's too bad. Certainly won't help his career.

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Originally posted 08:42 AM ET  01.09 by puttin on the foil

th hoo-ha is that he really is extremely talented and anybody that can't see the talent is either (a) blind, (b) a bruins fan. He's still learning the game though, and he has a lousy attitude. It's unfortunate because he's a super nice guy and all, but he's convinced that it's all about him 24-7.

I'll agree with you that the kid has a lot of talent, but I think he's at kind of a crossroads now. He could go on to be a great, puck moving, defenseman, or he could turn into a cheap shot thug similar to the old Matt Cooke.

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Originally posted 09:09 AM ET  01.09 by puttin on the foil

everybody in the league knows what PK wants, but nobody is making an offer, so for the moment, there goes that theory. And either way, I've always said that an offer from another team would be the best thing that could happen because at least it would force ownership's hand. Unless the sum offered is absurd, I couldn't see the Habs not paying it. For what it's worth, I agree that the Habs should give him the longer-term deal and then if it doesn't work out they can always move him because his cap hit is reasonable. I fear that if forced to swallow a 2 year deal, he will simply say 'f-u' when ufa status comes up. I donlt like it, but that's how the Habs do business...

Well let's be clear here - the era of offer sheets is over. It would be suicide.

Having said that, there is a trade market. There are dominoes that could fall that would force a GM's hand into making a deal like this. Once this thing gets ratified, things are going to be quite fun around here.

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Originally posted 09:40 AM ET  01.09 by Burgh-Fan

I'll agree with you that the kid has a lot of talent, but I think he's at kind of a crossroads now. He could go on to be a great, puck moving, defenseman, or he could turn into a cheap shot thug similar to the old Matt Cooke.

IDK the old Matt Cooke would be an accurate comparison Cooke would throwdown PK not so much

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Originally posted 09:29 AM ET  01.09 by Spiny Norman

if he could take that off-ice behaviour and maybe put a little of it toward not being such an idiot ON the ice...yeah, he could really be something. But when someone is that self absorbed in such a team game.....

Agreed, as I have also said the same thing about Matt Cooke (oh dear, did I bring up Cooke?). Although Cooke may not be as talented as Subban, they are both similar in the way that they may be super nice guys off-ice, charitable, great to their fans, but turn to super dou-ches on ice.

I think some players have to play with an edge to be that much better on-ice, but they don't have to be complete idiots.