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08:14 AM ET 03.13 | An informal online poll revealed that more than two-thirds of respondents were worried about Roy Halladay, and they're not alone after Tuesday's outing. In spring training, it is possible for a pitcher to finish with an ugly line that does not match the performance as it appeared to the naked eye. That was not the case with [Halladay's] outing against the Tigers, which looked every bit unpretty as the seven runs he allowed in 2 2/3 innings. Afterward, you could see the concern on Charlie Manuel's face. "Yeah, it concerns me," the manager said. "But at the same time, I been in the game long enough to know that if there's nothing wrong with him, you keep working with him." ... Halladay says there is nothing wrong with him.

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March 13, 2013  08:24 AM ET

That "concern" on Manuel's face was just the aftereffect of eating 7 steak n cheezes before the game.

March 13, 2013  08:38 AM ET

saw some of this game on MLB network yesterday. Halladay's pitch location was terrible and the Tigers took full advantage.

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March 13, 2013  08:57 AM ET
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I really, really wanted to see him do well down there. Hurts to see the guy losing his stuff by the day.

Doc is 36, wouldn't be unusual for even a horse like him to break down at that age and not be able to come back.
If it was over today, would he make the HOF? He's basically got a Koufax winning percentage with about 25% more wins than Sandy. But, does he have the mystique that got Sandy in with no questions asked?
Doc has 199 wins, I'd assume he'd at least want to get the 200 even if his arm was hanging on by a thread.

March 13, 2013  09:35 AM ET

Well it is only spring training.....then again, last year wasn't that good a year for him. Hopefully he can work it out.

March 13, 2013  10:57 AM ET

Man this guy faded quickly.

March 13, 2013  10:59 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Doc is 36, wouldn't be unusual for even a horse like him to break down at that age and not be able to come back.If it was over today, would he make the HOF? He's basically got a Koufax winning percentage with about 25% more wins than Sandy. But, does he have the mystique that got Sandy in with no questions asked?Doc has 199 wins, I'd assume he'd at least want to get the 200 even if his arm was hanging on by a thread.

Good guy, hardworking, but not a HOF'er in my opinion. Unfortunately for him, he was on a Toronto team that refused to win around him and while that shouldn't be a measurable for an individual's success, it is.

March 13, 2013  11:04 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Doc is 36, wouldn't be unusual for even a horse like him to break down at that age and not be able to come back.If it was over today, would he make the HOF? He's basically got a Koufax winning percentage with about 25% more wins than Sandy. But, does he have the mystique that got Sandy in with no questions asked?Doc has 199 wins, I'd assume he'd at least want to get the 200 even if his arm was hanging on by a thread.

It wasn't mystique that put Koufax in the HoF. It was total domination of the sport for 5 years before his arm got too bad to play anymore.

March 13, 2013  11:36 AM ET

Ughhhh...................

March 13, 2013  11:55 AM ET
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Man this guy faded quickly.

It's unfortunate, but both the Jays and Phillies rode him hard and now we're seeing the effects of it. The innings, the complete games. I know back in the day players didn't have relievers and closers and pitchers were more durable, but really Roy was that old school throwback. By rights he probably would have had 3 or 4 Cy Young's if not for a line drive off the shin that derailed one of his seasons and another where Johan Santana was just slightly better than him in the AL.

March 13, 2013  12:06 PM ET
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It wasn't mystique that put Koufax in the HoF. It was total domination of the sport for 5 years before his arm got too bad to play anymore.

Same as Pedro. Koufax and Martinez are the two best pitchers in my lifetime.

And yes, Halladay does deserve a spot in the HOF.

March 13, 2013  12:09 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

That "concern" on Manuel's face was just the aftereffect of eating 7 steak n cheezes before the game.

I don't think you're qualified to discuss sports in Philly if you call them steak n cheezes!

March 13, 2013  12:31 PM ET

Usually you don't worry about a veteran pitcher in Spring Training. Most guys are on their own agenda working on new things, and results are not that important. Let's see what he looks like once the season starts before we bury him.

March 13, 2013  01:20 PM ET
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I don't think you're qualified to discuss sports in Philly if you call them steak n cheezes!

He needs to go to Pat's or Geno's. He'll learn quickly!

March 13, 2013  02:28 PM ET
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Usually you don't worry about a veteran pitcher in Spring Training. Most guys are on their own agenda working on new things, and results are not that important. Let's see what he looks like once the season starts before we bury him.

Yeah, really. March 12th and you can already hear the calls of retirement echoing in the background. Not to mention that Doc is the kind of pitcher that can have continued success, perhaps not domintation, without the need to throw in the low 90's.

March 13, 2013  03:27 PM ET

wiseup: The Phillies need to be looking at adding a few good arms. Halliday and Cliff Lee both had les than stellar seasons last year. their ages and father time is catching up with them. with the age of their infield the window for post season is sliding shut.

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March 14, 2013  07:55 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

I don't think you're qualified to discuss sports in Philly if you call them steak n cheezes!

Jeez, should have said cheesesteaks...major faux pas on my part.

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