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08:11 AM ET 03.22 | Just how much stock should one put into Roy Halladay's rocky spring? Start with this: As Roy Halladay goes, so go the Phillies. There's no way to ignore Halladay's disappointing spring. Phillies officials, including manager Charlie Manuel, are attempting to put a positive spin on Doc's problems. There have been whispers that he's hurt, as evidenced by his fastball velocity, which has hovered in the 85- to 88-mph range. Doc works so hard, drives himself unmercifully and is the last person who'll admit something's wrong. Maybe the wear and tear on his right arm has finally taken its toll. ... [If] Doc cannot give the Phillies at least 15 wins, they can probably forget about the postseason. He's that important to this team.

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March 22, 2013  08:22 AM ET

If this guy is what dictates if the Phillies go to the playoffs or not, I guess it's safer than not to say they gone.

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March 22, 2013  08:32 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

I guess it's a good thing the 15 win number is complete ****. As long as he can keep his ERA under 4, I like their chances.

Lee and Hamels are more tied to their chances if you ask me.

March 22, 2013  09:27 AM ET

They have alot bigger problems than Halladay. He doesn't dictate the season. The biggest problem is the ages. I think 5-10 of them will be eligible for social security in a couple of years.

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March 22, 2013  10:28 AM ET

....i have been speaking truth about the not-so big 3-anymore (philly, red sux and yanks) going down after continued post-roid dependency on expensive old players who no longer can juice....and now we have it...(angels, tigers and dodgers however must not have got the memo....they are next)....but stupid phillies sign young...at least yanks and red sux are trying to turn the ship around.....

March 22, 2013  10:30 AM ET

It's hard to judge his performances this spring. I have seen them all and he looked okay his first 2 outings. He hit about 90 on the gun. Then he had a terrible outing against the Tigers and then supposedly got a virus. This is what the Phillies said last year. They were not forthcoming with his injury until he was put on IR. Seems like deja vu all over again. If that's the case, then they better hope Aaron Cook can win 14 games.....

March 22, 2013  11:16 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Lee and Hamels are more tied to their chances if you ask me.

Agreed, I have Lee and Hamels, Atro has Doc...............

March 22, 2013  11:18 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

....i have been speaking truth about the not-so big 3-anymore (philly, red sux and yanks) going down after continued post-roid dependency on expensive old players who no longer can juice....and now we have it...(angels, tigers and dodgers however must not have got the memo....they are next)....but stupid phillies sign young...at least yanks and red sux are trying to turn the ship around.....

You earn your moniker more and more with EVERY post.............sounds to me like someone's a little sad that the only thing Cruz can catch is a hypodermic needle in the posterior............

March 22, 2013  12:00 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

If this guy is what dictates if the Phillies go to the playoffs or not, I guess it's safer than not to say they gone.

the phillies will be in the playoffs, with halladay or no halladay, why? because halladay could and should be used as a long reliever doing 3 to 4 innings of work and getting the w's without any problem,,,

March 22, 2013  12:06 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

I guess it's a good thing the 15 win number is complete ****. As long as he can keep his ERA under 4, I like their chances.

as i stated before,,,this pitcher should be used as a long term reliever, or perhaps as a one inning reliever in the phillies bullpen after all nothing wrong with that!!!

March 22, 2013  12:08 PM ET

The best things about Doc are his work ethic and his will and I want to say that I hope these traits can carry him through to a level of performance that he's played at for years. It doesn't really concern me so much when a guy like him struggles in spring training. What does concern me is the amount of velocity he's lost if the above is true. Tough to survive in that 85 to 88 mph range.

March 22, 2013  12:41 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

I guess it's a good thing the 15 win number is complete ****. As long as he can keep his ERA under 4, I like their chances.

If everything falls into place, 3rd place is attainable. Maybe.

March 22, 2013  12:42 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

....i have been speaking truth about the not-so big 3-anymore (philly, red sux and yanks) going down after continued post-roid dependency on expensive old players who no longer can juice....and now we have it...(angels, tigers and dodgers however must not have got the memo....they are next)....but stupid phillies sign young...at least yanks and red sux are trying to turn the ship around.....

How did the Angels do in the playoffs last year?

March 22, 2013  01:25 PM ET
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Agreed, I have Lee and Hamels, Atro has Doc...............

Yeah, but your lineup suffered for it.

Pitching does not win championships in the DLFL>

March 22, 2013  02:16 PM ET

The good news Phillie fans is it looks like he will not pitch enough to command another $20 million next year with the vesting option in his contract.

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March 22, 2013  05:26 PM ET

Don't want to believe that Halliday is nearing the end. Hope he can right the ship. This man is a beast. Look at his stats with the Jays. He put up those numbers against two 200 million dollar teams(sox and yanks, in case you did't know) all the while pitching in a homerun park during all contest with these two teams. If anyone can reestablish himself, it's the Doc. Even if he has lost velocity, he'll find a way to be effective.

Over the years, my brain has been programmed to not doubt this man and his abilities.

March 22, 2013  06:42 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

....i have been speaking truth about the not-so big 3-anymore (philly, red sux and yanks) going down after continued post-roid dependency on expensive old players who no longer can juice....and now we have it...(angels, tigers and dodgers however must not have got the memo....they are next)....but stupid phillies sign young...at least yanks and red sux are trying to turn the ship around.....

What old juicers does Detroit have on their roster? Yeah, Fielder's contract may cause issues, but I hardly think they deserve to be included with the Dodgers and Angels.

 
March 22, 2013  07:55 PM ET
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Yeah, but your lineup suffered for it.Pitching does not win championships in the DLFL>

I have great pitching.

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