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Stats don't show Marc-Andre Fleury's value to Penguins

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08:30 PM ET 04.08 | Much of the joy I derive from watching sports is trying to figure out what's happening and why. Because of that, I'm willing to look for new and different ways of measuring value, which makes the current innovative atmosphere around statistics very intriguing to me. One relatively new hockey-related concept that I buy into is the idea that the number of shots a team takes has a strong correlation to puck possession and, thus, winning games. Fenwick (and its older brother Corsi) measures the differential of shots taken to shots allowed, boiling it down to a 60-minute rate. Unfortunately, in a true team sport like hockey, it's problematic to try to distill a team rate to evaluate individual players. Unlike baseball, in which a game can be boiled down to individual at-bats, hockey is fluid, with skaters jumping on and off the ice and whistles only occasionally interrupting the flow of play.

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Marc-Andre Fleury, AP Photo/Bill Kostroun Marc-Andre Fleury, AP Photo/Bill Kostroun
April 9, 2013  12:34 AM ET

Perhaps they could have found a picture of him making a save!

April 9, 2013  02:05 AM ET

Or at least a recent photo. Fleury hasn't worn yellow pads in several years now.

They also don't actually mention Fleury in the T&R version of the article.

April 9, 2013  08:00 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Perhaps they could have found a picture of him making a save!

Actually a pic of him letting in a goal perfectly illustrates the theme of the article.

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April 9, 2013  08:23 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Or at least a recent photo. Fleury hasn't worn yellow pads in several years now.They also don't actually mention Fleury in the T&R version of the article.

Writing summaries just isn't one of the interns strong suits. Of course, I have yet to find even one thing that is a strong suit for the interns!!!

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April 9, 2013  08:24 AM ET
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Writing summaries just isn't one of the interns strong suits. Of course, I have yet to find even one thing that is a strong suit for the interns!!!

Typos?

April 9, 2013  08:35 AM ET

I got a headache trying to read that article.
MAF has never been a stats darling, but that's the nature of the beast when you backstop an offensive team. This will be the first time in years he'll go into the playoffs not ridden hard and put away wet.

April 9, 2013  08:46 AM ET
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I got a headache trying to read that article. MAF has never been a stats darling, but that's the nature of the beast when you backstop an offensive team This will be the first time in years he'll go into the playoffs not ridden hard and put away wet.

And there is no team more offensive than the Pens :)

April 9, 2013  08:57 AM ET
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Actually a pic of him letting in a goal perfectly illustrates the theme of the article.

This from a fan of a team who has goalie ducking pucks? ;)

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April 9, 2013  09:22 AM ET
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This from a fan of a team who has goalie ducking pucks? ;)

Zing! Well-played DealWithIt. I'm gonna make sure I don't irritate you anytime soon!

:-)

April 9, 2013  09:27 AM ET
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Hey!Steve Mason doesn't duck pucks..

Give him time. In that City, he will be ducking the puck, the fans, the press, radio talk show hosts, etc. :)

April 9, 2013  09:38 AM ET
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Perhaps they could have found a picture of him making a save!

That would improve his stats and ... there would be no story.

April 9, 2013  09:41 AM ET
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This from a fan of a team who has goalie ducking pucks? ;)

Ouch! PensFan! I hope you used a little Vaseline!

April 9, 2013  09:49 AM ET
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Ouch! PensFan! I hope you used a little Vaseline!

All in good fun, brother. All in good fun.

April 9, 2013  10:05 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Hey!

Steve Mason doesn't duck pucks..

He doesn't have to. The past couple of years they've just flown right by.

April 9, 2013  10:33 AM ET
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This will be the first time in years he'll go into the playoffs not ridden hard and put away wet.

that's because PM hasn't done a lot of Pens games this season

April 9, 2013  10:41 AM ET
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Writing summaries just isn't one of the interns strong suits. Of course, I have yet to find even one thing that is a strong suit for the interns!!!

Errors? Misquotes? Ignorance? You're not trying EWA.

 
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