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07:11 AM ET 05.06 | Over in East Lansing, Michigan State athletic director Mark Hollis hinted that 14 teams might not work forever. "There are some advantages to 16 (teams) compared to 14," Hollis told ESPN in December. "Fourteen is clumsy. We're not out looking for two teams, but basically we will continue to survey the landscape." ... [Michigan athletic director Dave Brandon] doesn't see it that way. "I've never been sure where 16 came from," Brandon added. ... "You could run this conference with 18, you could run it with 20 -- divisions of 10 teams each. I don't know if there's any perfected notion of how much is enough and how many is too many. That'll be a subjected decision that's made through time."

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May 6, 2013  08:25 AM ET

Even our AD's can't get along. I think there was a lot of unhappiness behind the scenes at the B1G AD meetings.

May 6, 2013  08:26 AM ET

C'mon, this is getting ridiculous. Humongous Sixteen? Monster Eighteen? Ponderous Twenty? The B1G is unwieldy as it is already, for Pete's sake.

May 6, 2013  08:35 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

C'mon, this is getting ridiculous. Humongous Sixteen? Monster Eighteen? Ponderous Twenty? The B1G is unwieldy as it is already, for Pete's sake.

I totally agree. If Brandon is right, and they go to twenty, maybe it will get too large and collapse, like every empire in history. Then we could go back to a ten team Big Ten.

May 6, 2013  08:51 AM ET
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I totally agree. If Brandon is right, and they go to twenty, maybe it will get too large and collapse, like every empire in history. Then we could go back to a ten team Big Ten.

One other thought I'd throw in, DS, has to do with that darned Association of American Universities (AAU) membership. The B1G has poached just about all the available schools that would increase the conference's telemarketing footprint.

With the exception of Nebraska (who lost their AAU status shortly before joining the B1G; they need a medical center, from what I've read), all B1G schools are AAU members. So who's left to grab that's in geographical and contiguous proximity (and north of Mason-Dixon)?

Iowa State. Kansas. University of Missouri/Columbia (missed opportunity there). Pitt (ugh).

So tell me more about the B1G AD flap.

May 6, 2013  08:52 AM ET

I like it...lets end the NCAA!

May 6, 2013  08:52 AM ET

Maybe Tinnie is right, and ther will be four super-conferences that include all current BCS teams. I hope not. Can't see myself getting excited about winning the East Division. Feels too much like the NFL. Now winning the Legends Division, that has some cache'.

May 6, 2013  08:56 AM ET

Just a reminder - under current NCAA rules (subject to change), football conferences that are split into divisions require everyone in the division to play every other team in that division. If they get to a 20 team two-division split, all nine conference games would be only in their division, and the only way there'd be a crossover game would be in the conference championship.

May 6, 2013  08:57 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

I like it...lets end the NCAA!

Yo, Hippy! Long time no see!

May 6, 2013  09:01 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Just a reminder - under current NCAA rules (subject to change), football conferences that are split into divisions require everyone in the division to play every other team in that division. If they get to a 20 team two-division split, all nine conference games would be only in their division, and the only way there'd be a crossover game would be in the conference championship.

...And no wiggle room for an early-season OOC game to improve SOS. It becomes a real problem if you're competing in an already-weak conference into which the B1G has devolved.

May 6, 2013  09:05 AM ET
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One other thought I'd throw in, DS, has to do with that darned Association of American Universities (AAU) membership. The B1G has poached just about all the available schools that would increase the conference's telemarketing footprint.With the exception of Nebraska (who lost their AAU status shortly before joining the B1G; they need a medical center, from what I've read), all B1G schools are AAU members. So who's left to grab that's in geographical and contiguous proximity (and north of Mason-Dixon)?Iowa State. Kansas. University of Missouri/Columbia (missed opportunity there). Pitt (ugh).So tell me more about the B1G AD flap.

Not sure how Brandon sees getting to twenty, what with nearly everyone granting their broadcast rights to their current conferences. Just for laughs, and assuming the rights thing could be undone (after all, what are lawyers for?') I'd say Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech and Florida would all be on Delaney's shopping list.
As far as the AD in-fighting, it was pretty clear that MSU wanted to go to the west division and play TSUN as a protected cross-over game. Brandon didn't want a protected cross-over and have to play Nebraska and Wisky at a high frequency (see Delaney's comments about scheduling) so he and your guy backed the Perdue plan. Hollis is putting a positive spin on it in public, but the general feeling is that TSUN stuck it to us.

May 6, 2013  09:10 AM ET
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...And no wiggle room for an early-season OOC game to improve SOS. It becomes a real problem if you're competing in an already-weak conference into which the B1G has devolved.

I think the pod concept would be employed to have four smaller divisions of four or five teams each. You'd play them every year, and one other pod each year, with a two game play-off to get a conference champ.

May 6, 2013  09:22 AM ET

This is just stupid. a twenty team conference would be ridiculous.

May 6, 2013  09:29 AM ET
QUOTE(#10):

... Hollis is putting a positive spin on it in public, but the general feeling is that TSUN stuck it to us.

Big Brother lording it over Little Brother, as usual.

May 6, 2013  09:32 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Just a reminder - under current NCAA rules (subject to change), football conferences that are split into divisions require everyone in the division to play every other team in that division. If they get to a 20 team two-division split, all nine conference games would be only in their division, and the only way there'd be a crossover game would be in the conference championship.

I thought about this exact thing.

May 6, 2013  09:51 AM ET
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One other thought I'd throw in, DS, has to do with that darned Association of American Universities (AAU) membership. The B1G has poached just about all the available schools that would increase the conference's telemarketing footprint.With the exception of Nebraska (who lost their AAU status shortly before joining the B1G; they need a medical center, from what I've read), all B1G schools are AAU members. So who's left to grab that's in geographical and contiguous proximity (and north of Mason-Dixon)?Iowa State. Kansas. University of Missouri/Columbia (missed opportunity there). Pitt (ugh).So tell me more about the B1G AD flap.

only big or semi-big in AAU are, as you mentioned, MIzzou and then UTx.

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May 6, 2013  10:06 AM ET
QUOTE(#17):

Harley beat me to it, oh well.

A "Ninja'd" by any other name. And a hearty Good Morning to you, Sir!

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May 6, 2013  10:16 AM ET
QUOTE(#19):

"has", as in a long time ago!

Glad to see you're in good enough shape to sling shizzle, O-6. ;)

BTW, how's your UK football program gonna do this season? Will Mark Stoops lead the Mildcats out of the SEC wilderness?

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