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07:10 AM ET 05.24 | From a payroll standpoint, Brewers owner Mark Attanasio seems to have done his part, spending small fortunes in a small market. But are his players rewarding him by doing the same? One scout who recently watched the Brewers for a stand said the Brewers players don't appear to be putting put out maximum effort. More times than they should, the scout said, they'd make a 90-degree turn toward the dugout before even reaching the first-base bag on groundouts. He didn't say it was everyone, just too many guys. "I haven't heard that from the GM or manager. The guys may be a little down. But I saw them before (Wednesday's game), and there was a lot of energy and enthusiasm. That was a very spirited dugout," Attanasio said in a phone interview with CBSSports.com.

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May 24, 2013  08:33 AM ET

Guess they've been playing a lot of golf to be that good!

May 24, 2013  08:38 AM ET

Hire carlton Fisk.... ask Deion Sanders why.


From the chiago Tribune: (May of 1990, Sanders was with the New York Yankees. Fisk was with the White Sox.)

"Sanders was at bat with only one out in the third inning, a Yankee runner on third base. All he had to do was lift the ball into the outfield, or hit a grounder to second base to get that run home.
Instead, Sanders hit a weak pop fly toward shortstop. And rather than run to first - the ball could have dropped for an error - Sanders displayed his heart by trotting to the dugout.
Yankee fans booed. And though he was on the other team, this amazing lack of respect for the game infuriated Fisk.
(Fisk said) 'Run the bleeping ball out, you piece of ****' .... Sanders bravely turned his back and slinked off. He was playing in his 24th game. By then Fisk had played in more than 2,000 games. He waited, and when Sanders again came to bat to lead off the fifth inning, Fisk was ready. 'The days of slavery are over.'"
(Fisk said) 'He comes up and wants to make it a racial issue,' ..... 'There's no racial issue involved. It's professional etiquette. (so I said) 'There's a right way and a wrong way to play this game.'

Fisk then explained the right and wrong way in direct terms right there at home plate. He even offered to demonstrate on Sanders' person, by kicking him in the behind, but Sanders declined. The terms were quite pungent and the right and the wrong of things was so clear that even the Yankees dugout sided with Fisk.

Fisk said "Yankee pinstripes. Yankee pride. Some of those guys are rolling in their graves looking at this. It offended me. I'm playing for the other team and it offended me. There's a lot of things about the game and Yankee Stadium that no other place has. Maybe I'm old and cynical or old and sentimental. One or the other. But I do know what's right, and I do know what's wrong.'

See that's what the Brewers (and many other teams I might add) need. A kick in the **** and a seat on the bench or a ticket to Double A.

May 24, 2013  08:46 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Hire carlton Fisk.... ask Deion Sanders why.From the chiago Tribune: (May of 1990, Sanders was with the New York Yankees. Fisk was with the White Sox.)"Sanders was at bat with only one out in the third inning, a Yankee runner on third base. All he had to do was lift the ball into the outfield, or hit a grounder to second base to get that run home.Instead, Sanders hit a weak pop fly toward shortstop. And rather than run to first - the ball could have dropped for an error - Sanders displayed his heart by trotting to the dugout.Yankee fans booed. And though he was on the other team, this amazing lack of respect for the game infuriated Fisk.(Fisk said) 'Run the bleeping ball out, you piece of ****' .... Sanders bravely turned his back and slinked off. He was playing in his 24th game. By then Fisk had played in more than 2,000 games. He waited, and when Sanders again came to bat to lead off the fifth inning, Fisk was ready. 'The days of slavery are over.'"(Fisk said) 'He comes up and wants to make it a racial issue,' ..... 'There's no racial issue involved. It's professional etiquette. (so I said) 'There's a right way and a wrong way to play this game.'Fisk then explained the right and wrong way in direct terms right there at home plate. He even offered to demonstrate on Sanders' person, by kicking him in the behind, but Sanders declined. The terms were quite pungent and the right and the wrong of things was so clear that even the Yankees dugout sided with Fisk.Fisk said "Yankee pinstripes. Yankee pride. Some of those guys are rolling in their graves looking at this. It offended me. I'm playing for the other team and it offended me. There's a lot of things about the game and Yankee Stadium that no other place has. Maybe I'm old and cynical or old and sentimental. One or the other. But I do know what's right, and I do know what's wrong.'See that's what the Brewers (and many other teams I might add) need. A kick in the **** and a seat on the bench or a ticket to Double A.

Athough, I think it is clear, I want to make it understood that it was Sanders who said "The days of slavery are over".
I accidently deleted "Sanders said" before I posted. My bad.

May 24, 2013  09:15 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Hire carlton Fisk.... ask Deion Sanders why.From the chiago Tribune: (May of 1990, Sanders was with the New York Yankees. Fisk was with the White Sox.)"Sanders was at bat with only one out in the third inning, a Yankee runner on third base. All he had to do was lift the ball into the outfield, or hit a grounder to second base to get that run home.Instead, Sanders hit a weak pop fly toward shortstop. And rather than run to first - the ball could have dropped for an error - Sanders displayed his heart by trotting to the dugout.Yankee fans booed. And though he was on the other team, this amazing lack of respect for the game infuriated Fisk.(Fisk said) 'Run the bleeping ball out, you piece of ****' .... Sanders bravely turned his back and slinked off. He was playing in his 24th game. By then Fisk had played in more than 2,000 games. He waited, and when Sanders again came to bat to lead off the fifth inning, Fisk was ready. 'The days of slavery are over.'"(Fisk said) 'He comes up and wants to make it a racial issue,' ..... 'There's no racial issue involved. It's professional etiquette. (so I said) 'There's a right way and a wrong way to by Supreme Savings" href="#" 91c4="1" in_rurl="http://i.trkjmp.com/click?v=VVM6MzY0OTI6NjpwbGF5OmYxZjhkODY3MjhjN mI5MWZiZGRmNDY4Njk2MTJlZGM3OnotMTM4Mi0xNDU2MDA6d3d3LmZhbm5hdGlvbi5jb206NTAy MzI6ZGMzYWYyZjUwOWNlOTc1NzU3Nzg4YmQ3MDBlOTMwMGM">play this game.'Fisk then explained the right and wrong way in direct terms right there at home plate. He even offered to demonstrate on Sanders' person, by kicking him in the behind, but Sanders declined. The terms were quite pungent and the right and the wrong of things was so clear that even the Yankees dugout sided with Fisk.Fisk said "Yankee pinstripes. Yankee pride. Some of those guys are rolling in their graves looking at this. It offended me. I'm playing for the other team and it offended me. There's a lot of things about the game and Yankee Stadium that no other place has. Maybe I'm old and cynical or old and sentimental. One or the other. But I do know what's right, and I do know what's wrong.'See that's what the Brewers (and many other teams I might add) need. A kick in the **** and a seat on the bench or a ticket to Double A.

That is a great story, I've never heard that one before. I always liked Fisk, but this gives me even more respect for him. Deion was always a "me-first" kind of guy.

May 24, 2013  09:27 AM ET

I thought it was a two man race the first manager to be fired Gibbons or Mattingly, but now Roenicke could be the man.

May 24, 2013  09:37 AM ET

I thought Fisk said something about Aaron and Mays not being so fancy that they couldn't run out popups in reply to the slavery comment, but maybe that's apocryphal.
Fisk was not a guy to mess with, he was into weight training before it was common in baseball and made his teams transport a weight set for him on the road so he could lift AFTER catching games. Yes, the man would catch a game and then immediately go lift.

May 24, 2013  09:44 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Athough, I think it is clear, I want to make it understood that it was Sanders who said "The days of slavery are over". I accidently deleted "Sanders said" before I posted. My bad.

Thanks for the story. I like it. A LOT.

May 24, 2013  09:49 AM ET

Maybe they need Donnie Baseball to stop over for a pep talk.

May 24, 2013  09:50 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Maybe they need Donnie Baseball to stop over for a pep talk.

Now THAT - was funny

May 24, 2013  10:01 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Thanks for the story. I like it. A LOT.

Thanks.
And, I am goign to re-recommend that book that Robert (Bobby) Richardson wrote (Impact Player) about his days with the Yanks. I think you will appreciate its message a lot. The parts about how he interacted (as a devout Christian) with the Yankees is very interesting, especially his relationship with Mickey Mantle. Shows a side of Mantle I never understood before. Interesting.
One story for mthe book is about Moose Skowron.
It appears whenever Mosse would **** up an "at bat" by striking out or weakly groundigng out or etc... Moose would return to the dugout and walk from one end to the other swearing his head off. When, he was about to go by Richarsdson he would cease his swearing and say "Excuse me, Rich". However, as soon as he passed Richardson the swearing would once again resound from his lips until he reached the other end of the dugout.

May 24, 2013  10:22 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Thanks. And, I am goign to re-recommend that book that Robert (Bobby) Richardson wrote (Impact Player) about his days with the Yanks. I think you will appreciate its message a lot. The parts about how he interacted (as a devout Christian) with the Yankees is very interesting, especially his relationship with Mickey Mantle. Shows a side of Mantle I never understood before. Interesting. One story for mthe book is about Moose Skowron.It appears whenever Mosse would **** up an "at bat" by striking out or weakly groundigng out or etc... Moose would return to the dugout and walk from one end to the other swearing his head off. When, he was about to go by Richarsdson he would cease his swearing and say "Excuse me, Rich". However, as soon as he passed Richardson the swearing would once again resound from his lips until he reached the other end of the dugout.

That #$*(ing awesome...
oh, excuse me, Joe.

May 24, 2013  10:38 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Hire carlton Fisk.... ask Deion Sanders why.From the chiago Tribune: (May of 1990, Sanders was with the New York Yankees. Fisk was with the White Sox.)"Sanders was at bat with only one out in the third inning, a Yankee runner on third base. All he had to do was lift the ball into the outfield, or hit a grounder to second base to get that run home.Instead, Sanders hit a weak pop fly toward shortstop. And rather than run to first - the ball could have dropped for an error - Sanders displayed his heart by trotting to the dugout.Yankee fans booed. And though he was on the other team, this amazing lack of respect for the game infuriated Fisk.(Fisk said) 'Run the bleeping ball out, you piece of ****' .... Sanders bravely turned his back and slinked off. He was playing in his 24th game. By then Fisk had played in more than 2,000 games. He waited, and when Sanders again came to bat to lead off the fifth inning, Fisk was ready. 'The days of slavery are over.'"(Fisk said) 'He comes up and wants to make it a racial issue,' ..... 'There's no racial issue involved. It's professional etiquette. (so I said) 'There's a right way and a wrong way to play this game.'Fisk then explained the right and wrong way in direct terms right there at home plate. He even offered to demonstrate on Sanders' person, by kicking him in the behind, but Sanders declined. The terms were quite pungent and the right and the wrong of things was so clear that even the Yankees dugout sided with Fisk.Fisk said "Yankee pinstripes. Yankee pride. Some of those guys are rolling in their graves looking at this. It offended me. I'm playing for the other team and it offended me. There's a lot of things about the game and Yankee Stadium that no other place has. Maybe I'm old and cynical or old and sentimental. One or the other. But I do know what's right, and I do know what's wrong.'See that's what the Brewers (and many other teams I might add) need. A kick in the **** and a seat on the bench or a ticket to Double A.

Good stuff. Thanks.

May 24, 2013  10:46 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Thanks. And, I am goign to re-recommend that book that Robert (Bobby) Richardson wrote (Impact Player) about his days with the Yanks. I think you will appreciate its message a lot. The parts about how he interacted (as a devout Christian) with the Yankees is very interesting, especially his relationship with Mickey Mantle. Shows a side of Mantle I never understood before. Interesting. One story for mthe book is about Moose Skowron.It appears whenever Mosse would **** up an "at bat" by striking out or weakly groundigng out or etc... Moose would return to the dugout and walk from one end to the other swearing his head off. When, he was about to go by Richarsdson he would cease his swearing and say "Excuse me, Rich". However, as soon as he passed Richardson the swearing would once again resound from his lips until he reached the other end of the dugout.

I'm going to have to read that book. I'm currently reading "The Last Boy" about Mantle. Read some things I didn't know about him.

May 24, 2013  11:38 AM ET
QUOTE(#14):

I'm going to have to read that book. I'm currently reading "The Last Boy" about Mantle. Read some things I didn't know about him.

I never thought it was possible; but I believe Mantle has become underrated. He was just as good as anyone in his prime. He seems to be slipping in the second tier in the minds of many fans and that's not right. He was an incredible five tool player before he drove that sprinkler head into his knee. The Yankee championships of the 50's and early 60's were primarily due to his terrorizing American League pitching.

May 24, 2013  11:45 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Hire carlton Fisk.... ask Deion Sanders why.From the chiago Tribune: (May of 1990, Sanders was with the New York Yankees. Fisk was with the White Sox.)"Sanders was at bat with only one out in the third inning, a Yankee runner on third base. All he had to do was lift the ball into the outfield, or hit a grounder to second base to get that run home.Instead, Sanders hit a weak pop fly toward shortstop. And rather than run to first - the ball could have dropped for an error - Sanders displayed his heart by trotting to the dugout.Yankee fans booed. And though he was on the other team, this amazing lack of respect for the game infuriated Fisk.(Fisk said) 'Run the bleeping ball out, you piece of ****' .... Sanders bravely turned his back and slinked off. He was playing in his 24th game. By then Fisk had played in more than 2,000 games. He waited, and when Sanders again came to bat to lead off the fifth inning, Fisk was ready. 'The days of slavery are over.'"(Fisk said) 'He comes up and wants to make it a racial issue,' ..... 'There's no racial issue involved. It's professional etiquette. (so I said) 'There's a right way and a wrong way to play this game.'Fisk then explained the right and wrong way in direct terms right there at home plate. He even offered to demonstrate on Sanders' person, by kicking him in the behind, but Sanders declined. The terms were quite pungent and the right and the wrong of things was so clear that even the Yankees dugout sided with Fisk.Fisk said "Yankee pinstripes. Yankee pride. Some of those guys are rolling in their graves looking at this. It offended me. I'm playing for the other team and it offended me. There's a lot of things about the game and Yankee Stadium that no other place has. Maybe I'm old and cynical or old and sentimental. One or the other. But I do know what's right, and I do know what's wrong.'See that's what the Brewers (and many other teams I might add) need. A kick in the **** and a seat on the bench or a ticket to Double A.

Fisk is an ****, have friends that met him personally, this guy should work on his own issues before telling someone else what their problems are (though he was right on this occasion).

May 24, 2013  11:52 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

I never thought it was possible; but I believe Mantle has become underrated. He was just as good as anyone in his prime. He seems to be slipping in the second tier in the minds of many fans and that's not right. He was an incredible five tool player before he drove that sprinkler head into his knee. The Yankee championships of the 50's and early 60's were primarily due to his terrorizing American League pitching.

And, something else, I never knew that also makes me look at Mantle in a new light. Richardson says that Mantle played football befoer he was a pro basebll player and had injured his knee during his football days. Richardson says that combined with the sprinkler episode had Mantle in pain on a daily basis and he could only play with his legs wrapped by the trainers on a daily basis. Richardson says that today a simple op would probably take care of any lingering knee/leg issues and that he believes Mantle may have played with a meniscus tear in his knee for his entire career.
I have a meniscus tear and believe me it can be very painful if you move the wrong way. And if this is true, to play baseball at Mantle's level with that injury is simply unbelievable.

May 24, 2013  11:55 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

I never thought it was possible; but I believe Mantle has become underrated. He was just as good as anyone in his prime. He seems to be slipping in the second tier in the minds of many fans and that's not right. He was an incredible five tool player before he drove that sprinkler head into his knee. The Yankee championships of the 50's and early 60's were primarily due to his terrorizing American League pitching.

I'm not quite old enough to have seen him play, but I wonder how good he would have been without the injuries. Sounds like he basically played his career with a torn ACL.

May 24, 2013  11:57 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

Fisk is an ****, have friends that met him personally, this guy should work on his own issues before telling someone else what their problems are (though he was right on this occasion).

a lot of these guys can be ****. (I once met Tom Seaver and came away with that opinion and I always thought he was a bit of a pompus **** as an announcer.) But, as you do point out, it doesn't take away from the fact that, in this instance, as well as on other occassions, they can be right.
(I am sure Seaver has done some good in his day but I still think he is an **** and have had others tell me that, too.)

 
May 24, 2013  12:05 PM ET
QUOTE(#18):

I'm not quite old enough to have seen him play, but I wonder how good he would have been without the injuries. Sounds like he basically played his career with a torn ACL.

He played 18 years and retired at 37. And arguably he probably should not have played the last one or two years of his career because of his ongoing injurues and pain. BUT, if he had played "healthy" who knows what he could have done. But the botom line is ya gotta play the cards you get dealt. However, I am now finding out that maybe he did exactly that and that he was a way better man, as well as a baseball player, than I have been led to believe.
He had his demons, and sometimes didn't always do the right thing, but Richardson's book makes me look at him in a much different manner now.

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