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07:05 AM ET 05.30 | One play earlier this week said it all. David West leaned against the basket stanchion on Monday and paused for a long time after I asked my question. His eyes gazed toward the roof, and he smiled. My question: How well has the NBA's anti-flopping policy worked this season? His answer: Not as bad as the answer from LeBron James. First, West's answer: "I know fining a guy doesn't really take away a foul at a crucial moment of a game. It's so hard. It's a judgment call by the refs, and sometimes guys get rewarded for it." Sometimes? The NBA during the postseason has been as flop-tastic as ever. ... There's only one punishment that will have any teeth with the players, coaches and front offices: suspensions.

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May 30, 2013  07:31 AM ET

The solution is not that hard. Use the tools we already have. The camera doesn't lie, we use it to take away points, why not use it for flops. During a break simply look at the tape. If a guy is called for a foul and the player flopped he should get his foul removed. Just like we do point when a player is standing on the 3pt line.

We use it for fights, baskets, clock situations. Well use it for flops too.

May 30, 2013  07:34 AM ET

Oh and if they got the a and one, take away one point, the basket should count since there was no foul.

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May 30, 2013  08:45 AM ET

Flopping fine is in play only if there was an actual foul called. I've seen so many flopping where there were no fouls called. The refs just looked at the players who flops and shake their head. There was one that was comical. West and Lebron flopped on each other and no fouls were called...

May 30, 2013  09:08 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

The solution is not that hard. Use the tools we already have. The camera doesn't lie, we use it to take away points, why not use it for flops. During a break simply look at the tape. If a guy is called for a foul and the player flopped he should get his foul removed. Just like we do point when a player is standing on the 3pt line.We use it for fights, baskets, clock situations. Well use it for flops too.

Or give out points like the flagrant foul system they have in place. Cash fines, regardless of how large, will only deter at best part of the players (those with smaller paychecks). Loss of playing time as a consequence would affect all players equally, and would especially keep the big time players (a.k.a. - LeBron) from tarnishing the brand

May 30, 2013  09:23 AM ET
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Or give out points like the flagrant foul system they have in place. Cash fines, regardless of how large, will only deter at best part of the players (those with smaller paychecks). Loss of playing time as a consequence would affect all players equally, and would especially keep the big time players (a.k.a. - LeBron) from tarnishing the brand

Just said the same thing yesterday.

May 30, 2013  09:24 AM ET
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I think the whole flopping uproar is silly.

The way to stop it is for the refs to watch the game

If they don't call the flop, the team that is flopping is playing 4 on 5

A penalty box...

May 30, 2013  09:41 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Or give out points like the flagrant foul system they have in place. Cash fines, regardless of how large, will only deter at best part of the players (those with smaller paychecks). Loss of playing time as a consequence would affect all players equally, and would especially keep the big time players (a.k.a. - LeBron) from tarnishing the brand

Points won't change the immediate effect that flopping has on the game. If it did, then the fines would be working. Giving fouls on flops can alter the game just like it did in game 4, not to mention I pay to see stars play not foul out on flops. The refs need to stop calling flops or reverse the calls during the game just like they do with points, clear path or down grading a flagrant because they have immediate impacts on the game.

May 30, 2013  09:49 AM ET

The Rule Is A Flop. Bros.

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May 30, 2013  09:57 AM ET

Lebron and West just got fined $5k each for their synchronized flops...lol

May 30, 2013  10:03 AM ET
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Points won't change the immediate effect that flopping has on the game. If it did, then the fines would be working. Giving fouls on flops can alter the game just like it did in game 4, not to mention I pay to see stars play not foul out on flops. The refs need to stop calling flops or reverse the calls during the game just like they do with points, clear path or down grading a flagrant because they have immediate impacts on the game.

good points. How about giving someone a technical instead of just a regular foul? That way they don't have 4-5 opportunities to flop and get caught.

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May 30, 2013  10:06 AM ET
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Lebron and West just got fined $5k each for their synchronized flops...lol

still wasn't nearly as entertaining as Derek Fisher and Kevin Martin with their synchronized flop against the Rockets

May 30, 2013  10:52 AM ET

IMHO.....there is no 'problem' with players flopping. I mean, really.....how you gonna penalize players for gamesmanship?

Instead of going after flopping ball-players, the NBA SHOULD be going after the incompetant referees that can't tell the difference between a fouls and a flop.

After-all....is it the players' fault that the refs are incompetant, or is it the refs'/league's fault??

May 30, 2013  10:55 AM ET
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.........these refs should be calling the game based on the IMMEDIATE contact, not the after-effects- if a ref didn't 'see' the foul, but sees a guy flopping around on the floor like a dying fish....don't make the call...........

Agreed.......................100%!

May 30, 2013  11:09 AM ET
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but they are TOTALLY different thingsa flop is not a 'foul' or impediment it is an acting job and these refs should be calling the game based on the IMMEDIATE contact, not the after-effects- if a ref didn't 'see' the foul, but sees a guy flopping around on the floor like a dying fish....don't make the call it is the refs job not to get snookered.they make ALOT of $ - let them just get the call right- it really isn't too much to ask for , IMO

Then why do they use replay to get things correct if it is their jobs to get it right the first time.

The point is... If replay is important enough for clear path, then it should be good enough to see if a player flop his way into a call. Battier is the master of pulling people down and they get a foul for it. How can the ref see thru Shane's body and see he is holding and pulling the guy to him??? HE CAN't but the replay will.

Another thing they could do is have the instant replay ref monitor for flopping during breaks and if one is found remove the foul from the player that receive one and issue a warning just like they do with delay of game. Next one is a tech and so on...

May 30, 2013  11:13 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

IMHO.....there is no 'problem' with players flopping. I mean, really.....how you gonna penalize players for gamesmanship? Instead of going after flopping ball-players, the NBA SHOULD be going after the incompetant referees that can't tell the difference between a fouls and a flop. After-all....is it the players' fault that the refs are incompetant, or is it the refs'/league's fault??

I agree. The refs should be better but they are not and we are losing the integrity of the game while we wait for good refs to come along, when we have the tools now and we are already using replay to correct clear path and flagrant fouls, why not extend it to flops too.

May 30, 2013  11:13 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

IMHO.....there is no 'problem' with players flopping. I mean, really.....how you gonna penalize players for gamesmanship? Instead of going after flopping ball-players, the NBA SHOULD be going after the incompetant referees that can't tell the difference between a fouls and a flop. After-all....is it the players' fault that the refs are incompetant, or is it the refs'/league's fault??

+1

The players are just "using" the system.
The refs are wusses. They are scared to make calls on stars like LBJ, Wade, KG etc. If they were totally unbiased, Wade would foul out EVERY game, so would KG. And LBJ would have his wealth cut by half paying flopping fines.

 
May 30, 2013  11:21 AM ET
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I think the whole flopping uproar is silly.The way to stop it is for the refs to watch the game If they don't call the flop, the team that is flopping is playing 4 on 5

I totally agree. People are overthinking this "flopping" thing way too much.

The other problem I have with it is that people only hate flopping when it doesn't go their teams' way.

Relax. It's either a foul or not a foul just like everything else.

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