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Frank Thomas: Hall of Famers don't want PEDs users

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11:23 AM ET 06.08 | Frank Thomas was ahead of the curve as a critic of Major League Baseball's steroid culture as a slugging first baseman with the Chicago White Sox in the 1990s. Now that he's on the verge of the Hall of Fame, that attitude hasn't changed. Thomas, in New York on Thursday for baseball's first-year player draft, called the Biogenesis scandal "embarrassing'' for the game and a "shameful'' episode in baseball history. He said he has spoken with numerous Hall of Famers recently while taking part in a series of charity games, and they're strongly opposed to players with links to performance-enhancing drugs gaining entry to Cooperstown. "They say, 'Hell, no,'" Thomas said. "They don't want any of these guys in. These are super-superstars in my eyes, and they're serious about it. I would suggest you get around the Johnny Benches, the Ozzie Smiths, the Dave Winfields and Mike Schmidts. Hold court with them and see how they feel. I've talked to them and it was eye-opening..."

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June 8, 2013  11:30 AM ET

I wonder how many of those Hall of Famers used PEDs surreptitiously during their own careers?

June 8, 2013  11:32 AM ET
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I wonder how many of those Hall of Famers used PEDs surreptitiously during their own careers?

Just for the record, I am not pointing the finger at any player referenced by Thomas.


Given the prevalence of PEDs, I have to imagine that at least a few players slipped past the guard into the HOF.

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June 8, 2013  11:49 AM ET
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Schmidt took ampelhetaminesAnd I bet a bunch did also.....You think silken didn't?....his best bud was Brady anderson

silken?

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June 8, 2013  12:03 PM ET
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Ripken.....auto correctSorry

You are right that no one is above suspicion anymore.

June 8, 2013  12:18 PM ET

Usually the people who are saying these kind of statements are the ones that did the 'exact' same thing they are speaking out against.. Frank Thomas needs to shut up

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June 8, 2013  12:34 PM ET
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Ripken.....auto correctSorry

No Baltimore Oriole ever used PEDS. Or even cursed.

June 8, 2013  12:40 PM ET
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No Baltimore Oriole ever used PEDS. Or even cursed.

Is that you Rafael 'never used PEDs' Palmeiro??

June 8, 2013  12:47 PM ET

JGB he did not shut up during the whole PED era. He came out very early on as an advocate for testing. Frank Thomas was one of the best hitters of his era, prior to the steroid era, during the era and even a bit afterward..... and then all of a sudden idiots like Canseco, bonds, and Sammy Sosa came out of nowhere in their mid thirties and started hitting 50-65 hrs per year. He was pissed about it then and he is pissed about it now. He defied the union several times and spoke openly about it. I remember because I was a Whitesox fan. When you go back and look at his stats compared to those guys now, they look meh. Without hgh and steroids none of those guys would have come anywhere near him. And he would be a shoe in for the hall. And you can trust one thing. Frank Thomas due to his size, mouth and demeanor was most likely tested as much or more than anyone in the league. Frank was always big, always strong and was always consistent. He didnt all of a sudden start clubbing 80 HRs per year in his late 30's. His career performance arch followed that of the historical trend. That would be the one and only indicator that i would use in my estimation of whether or not he juiced.

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June 8, 2013  01:29 PM ET

No kidding. Every monster slugger is presumed guilty until proven innocent, and since there is no real way to prove their innocence, there can be only one verdict.

June 8, 2013  01:37 PM ET
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You are right that no one is above suspicion anymore.

True

June 8, 2013  01:37 PM ET
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Usually the people who are saying these kind of statements are the ones that did the 'exact' same thing they are speaking out against.. Frank Thomas needs to shut up

Agree on both counts.

June 8, 2013  01:52 PM ET

When a player has mediocre number of HRS early in his career and then in his thirties his HR numbers increase from 20 to 30 HRs to 40 to 50 would show a probability of PEDs and worth testing. If a player hits 30 To 40 throughout his career PEDs are likely to be involved.

June 8, 2013  02:09 PM ET

You have to blame Bud Selig for this mess. His lack of enforcement for years won't save his butt now. How many guys are still on drugs in this league today? Maybe less than years before but many in the HOF used something... steriods or other performance enhancers. Even now, look at Melky Cabrerra. The guy test positive during his monster season, gets shamed, cut loose then re-signs the next year with a new team for millions. 50 game suspension? Big whoopee. MLB is a joke and Selig and his counterparts have ruined the game.

June 8, 2013  02:19 PM ET

Sure no problem. First, let's evict the Hall of Famers from the 60s through the 80s who took speed before every game, as well as those who pumped up on painkillers they obtained without a prescription. There is zero difference, Frank. So put that holier than thou junk away, okay?

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June 8, 2013  02:47 PM ET
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You have to blame Bud Selig for this mess. His lack of enforcement for years won't save his butt now. How many guys are still on drugs in this league today? Maybe less than years before but many in the HOF used something... steriods or other performance enhancers. Even now, look at Melky Cabrerra. The guy test positive during his monster season, gets shamed, cut loose then re-signs the next year with a new team for millions. 50 game suspension? Big whoopee. MLB is a joke and Selig and his counterparts have ruined the game.

Why don't you point the blame where it really belongs, the owners. Bud answers to them first and foremost. The way the game was growing and the stadiums were filling up, if Bud tried to enforce a drug policy at that time, he would have been shown the door faster than CC Sabathia runs for the buffet table. If owners really wanted the game clean, it would be.

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