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Odds are Gardy loses his job with 90-loss season


07:05 AM ET 07.11 | There exists a short, uncelebrated list that may have a new member if the Twins record a third consecutive 90-loss season. [The] speculation about longtime manager Ron Gardenhire's job security is starting to simmer a little bit here in Minnesota. I asked on Twitter how many managers in baseball history have avoided being fired after three consecutive 90-loss seasons and SABR's own Jacob Pomrenke came through with the information. It has happened eight times since 1945. ... [If] the Twins lose 90 games again this season and Gardenhire keeps his job for 2014 he'll be one of just a few managers since 1945 to avoid getting the boot in a comparable situation. Right now the Twins are 37-50, which is a 93-loss pace, and Gardenhire's contract is up in 75 games.

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July 11, 2013  08:33 AM ET

I'm actually surprised this team is only 11 games under .500.

July 11, 2013  08:43 AM ET

with the teams and lineups Gardenhire has had to endure over the last several years, and all the talent the front office has given away, most managers would have said I don't need this mess. Gardenhire has been patient and made the best with what he had to work with. Unless front office makes a commitment to keep upcoming talent and even offer some decent contracts to keep them from leaving ( GASP !!!!!!). Unless twins make that commitment the twins will continue to lose 90 games a year, regardless who manages the twin.

July 11, 2013  09:35 AM ET

I'm actually surprised this team is only 11 games under .500.

Same here. That's a pretty punchless team.

July 11, 2013  10:49 AM ET

the team threatens to move to get taxpayers to fund a new facility (so they can increase their payroll and attract bigger free agents - see correia and pelfrey...WHO???) and their payroll is around $120 million the first year in the new ball park and now it's back down to around $77 million (suckers!!), with probably 40% of that tied up in two players. bobby cox and joe torre wouldn't do any better with this group of town ballers.

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July 11, 2013  11:08 AM ET

Same here. That's a pretty punchless team.

Their defense is that bad too. Nooobody can win with that group. It would struggle to win a AAA League crown.

July 11, 2013  11:18 AM ET

Before you blame it all on poor talent you have to see him manage a game. As a full season ticket holder I can see the mistakes happen. He manages like he thinks he's got a full roster of talent. Instead you should manage what you really have. Don't be trying to go righty/lefty with pitchers in the bullpen, if someone is throwing strikes and getting people out use them. Also, intentional walks are a strategy, when you have a guy who's gone 3-4 with several homeruns in the series coming up to bat with runners on 2nd and 3rd, how about a walk instead of giving him the chance to hit a 3 run home run? (which he did)

July 11, 2013  12:09 PM ET

You have a team that has spent nearly nothing on pitching and gave Mauer and Morneau contracts that have no-trade clauses. Even if a team came along and offered the Twins decent talent for either one of them they would have to approve it. The Twins office has put themselves in this predicament. Because let's not forget the Twins were playing good ball until they signed Mauer and Morneau to those big deals and tied up too much of the payroll. Gardy has done a hell of good job with what he's had to work with, but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets thrown under the bus.

July 11, 2013  12:19 PM ET

Just not fair, this guy has poured his heart and soul into his position, can't say the same for the administration. He won't be on the sidelines for too long, there is a lot of respect for this guy and players play for someone who has been there.

July 11, 2013  12:37 PM ET

The guy gets out managed on a regular basis. He can't manage in the post season The mere fact he is unwilling to change his pitching coach (name one starter who has gotten better under the Gardy/Anderson regime) and having to be forcible shuffle his other coaches during last off season should have cost him his job long before this. The team quit playing for him long ago.

July 11, 2013  01:31 PM ET

I'm old enough to remember Gardenhire's playing days...

When he came up he weighed about 175... wet.

He's come along way :-)

On Topic: He's not the reason the Twinkies are losing.

July 11, 2013  01:42 PM ET

Their not a good team and he's a Good Manager!!!

July 11, 2013  02:01 PM ET

Wow, lots of Gardy lovers on here. I too am a Twins season ticket holder, and talent is not the sole issue. Gardenhire makes some questionable managerial decisions, does not get along with younger players. Not a good recipe for success for a young team, with young talent certain to be loaded on the roster in the coming years.

July 11, 2013  07:29 PM ET

While it is true the Twins talent in down these days let's remember what Gardy did the year he had this line-up: Cy Young winner (Santana), MVP (Morneau), batting title winner (Mauer), and Gold Glove Center Fielder (Hunter). Out in first round of Playoffs. The guy who did nothing with the great line-ups, which he inherited when Kelly walked away, is not the one to develop the high potential kids coming up. Plus, his goatee sucks.

July 11, 2013  09:16 PM ET

IF gardenhire is such a bad manager Why is he the second longest tenured manager with same team only to Mike Scosia who was hired by angels in 2000. Gardenhire was hired by twins in 2002.

July 11, 2013  10:36 PM ET

Low-budget Twins won the division with Gardenhire in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2010. AL manager of the year 2010, and MLB Manager of the Year 2009. He's the problem? Granted, he's 6-21 in postseason but c'mon, man! I took my kids to the Trop today to watch the Rays complete a 4 game sweep of the Twinkies. The Twins are offensively challenged at best. I went to Target Field last summer--beautiful stadium and nice people. I've seen Gardenhire at his best at some Spring Training games, joking with fans and having fun. He's a class act and a helluva manager. Now Dusty Baker....he sucks!

July 11, 2013  10:51 PM ET

Their not a good team and he's a Good Manager!!!

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